Are Right Wing Extremists Crashing Peaceful Protests?

Videos showing people saying that please, and studies showing the correlation between black on white violent crime equaling whites keeping blacks down and unemployed when you have a chance.
Sounds like rhetoric to advance an agenda to me, but if something besides your opinion backs it up, I'll pay careful attention.

 

Sure but then we get into another problem. There are lots of black men who fit the description of being black so they are in prison for crimes they did not commit.. This is because police have a lot of pressure to solve cases. So they arrest the first black guy they see or in some more croupt cases don't ask the witness if it was the man who robbed them or whatever. They will arrest Mike Jones and ask the witness "is this Mike Jones?". They twist that around in court to say the witness "identified the suspect". it is technically true. Mr. Jones was arrested on suspicion of a crime and someone has confirmed he is who he is.

This is all made worse by the fact that black people often can not afford an attorney. So all they have is a public defender who is lucky to have 30 minutes to look over the case. So all they do is find the best plea deal. 5 years instead of 10 because the suspect admits guilt. He does so because both the court and the public defender say that if he goes to trail it will be 15 and he has no case. They have a witness and the court ALWAYS trusts police.

I'm a white middle class guy and even I have seen how police lie in court. Their report claimed I said things I never did and they observed things that prove a crime that never happened. All of of paints me as a criminal and them as rational men who tired to give me a break but I was too angry to listen. Notice how anger/ resistance is usually the reason police give for killing black men? The cop has no duty to have any restraint. He is entitled to kill him for his own safety.

Do you know any cops? My mother works with police wives and they have confirmed a lot of what I say. You are expected to lie and get busts. The cops who don't do that don't get back up or promotions. They are bullied out because they are an outsider and not a friend of the blue gang.

And Fox news will remind us that he was no angel. He was arrested for shoplifting once so it's only fair we give our our officers the benefit of the doubt.

 

Are you talking to me? I don't think so, but it's useful for you to quote the passages you're referring to, since posts may intervene between the one you're addressing and yours. I suspect you're talking about one of stormwater's posts, so you might clarify that.

 

I think it's very telling that right wing people go to the argument "but black people are bad and naturally commit more crime" to defend their views on violence. They want a race war. In their mind once they win this they will have the traditional social structure of Jim Crow. What they see is back in 1940 there was no BLM so things must have been good.

Do you know what a black person was expected to do back then when they saw a white person? They had to say "good morning sir" and make sure they walked to the other side of the street so as to not look at their white daughter. There was no racism because black people could not speak up. White people patted themselves on the back for allowing them separate but equal bathrooms and that was the end of it. You worship the white who decried to let you be free and was nice enough to being you from Africa.

The data they cite is just evidence of poverty and a bias court system. White conservatives have hated black people since the 1960's civil rights movement. What they want more then anything is a world where black people can not complain. For them to believe that racism can not exist because there is so slavery.They will always be upset that they have a small percent of black votes each election but they will never address the reasons why. Literal KKK members run for office under the GOP banner but these idiots will still say the KKK is for Demarcates and Democrats made up the entire concept of racism.

This would mean black people scientifically are more prone to violence. Like they don't have the IQ, self control, etc to behave as a white person.

Are you suggesting that? It's been a common right wing argument for years and one that has consistently been proven false. Facts don't care about your feelings as they say. And you seem to have the feeling that black people are animals.

 

94% of the black men who are killed are being killed by black men. There's no white supremacist, police being racist or deadly unicorn problem that amounts to a hill of beans until that is addressed.

 

Why don't you address it? What are you trying to say? That blacks are inferior? That black men are inherently violent, as a result of their genes? If not that, what?

 

He has never heard of Dillon Roof.

 

According to Professor J.A. Fox of Northeastern University's criminology; people (black or white) tend to be murdered by people they know. It’s important to note that white victims of homicide were likely to be killed by other whites. According to government data, 84 percent of white homicides were committed by whites. And "(b)ecause of the racial homogeneity of most neighborhoods,...it is even true that most stranger killings are intra-racial — 67 percent for white victims and 89 percent for blacks". Fox The Will to Kill: Making Sense of Senseless Murder. Police shootings have become a leading cause of death for black men. Getting killed by police is a leading cause of death for young black men in America in the U.S. Police killings are the sixth cause of death for young African-American males. Police killings are the sixth leading cause of death among young men, study shows

Any intelligent discussion of race and homicide would also have to consider other variables that are superimposed on race: SES and subcultural/historical patterns. Until you're willing to address those, your stats simply illustrate the maxim: figures don't lie, but liars can figure.

 

None of those articles actually show young black men being killed by police is a leading cause of death or is the 6th leading cause of death

According to the CDC; Cancer, Diabetes, HIV and strokes are the 5th,6th,7th and 8th leading cause of death for Non Hispanic Blacks 20-44 yrs old

From the CDC-Leading Causes of Death-Non-Hispanic Black Males 2017

 

It is my joy to hear of East Oklahoma established as a Rez . The Supreme Court decision was dominated by the liberals + one .
We , the hippies of the world , wish your people well and wise . It's understandable you favor liberal politics as has been commonly defined . The conservative justices in this case were biased toward order , not law and order .

 

The leading cause of death for black men is their next encounter with white police officers

 

Address it how? Black on black crime isn't an issue in my neighborhood, and the black guys I know aren't the kind of people who don't place value on human life. Yet the facts are the facts.
I'd guess, and this is my opinion only, that it has something to do with lack of family structure and the values that come with it. Combine that with the acceptance from gangs, kids wanting to fit in somewhere and peer pressure, toss in a few illegal handguns and songs saying it's cool to fire away indiscriminately whenever you are angry, feel disrespected or just feel like it, and you've got a recipe for the disaster far too many people are living in right now.
Of course I could be wrong and it's really about way too many cops in the neighborhood, who really knows.
I'd share thoughts on how the family structure was broken down, but bashing decades of democratic leaders and planned parenthood would probably only add to your suspicions of me being a white supremacist/nazi/racist/gun nut/whatever the fuck else, so I won't.

 

So, you are going to go with straight out denial then. Ok

 

You volunteered some statistics implying that they had significance, without considering alternative explanations. It doesn't matter whether or not black on black crime is an issue in your neighborhood. You brought it up, and given the fact that it isn't an issue in your neighborhood, that makes your misleading presentation of it all the more objectionable. The black guys you know don't fit the stereotype you're presenting, which should tip you off that it might not be a matter of race at all. If "who really knows", why did you raise the issue in a context which suggests that blacks are violent people and they do more harm to other blacks than police do so that proves BLM wrong and lets the cops off the hook. As for the breakdown of the black family because of planned parenthood and the Democrats, more right wing propaganda. If you get it out into the open instead of insinuating it while pretending not to discuss it, we can see how it stands up to critical analysis.

 

The point is that blacks here in America have much bigger problems than white supremacy and killer cops, that need to be addressed.

 

Glad you're happy with the decision in McGirt v. Oklahoma, but the scope and impact of the decision remain to be seen. In case other HF followers have no idea what this is about, Tikoo is talking about a case brought by a convicted Native American child molester claiming the State prosecutor had no jurisdiction to convict him because it happened on land designated by Congress as the reservation of the Muscogee (Creek) Indians. In a 5-4 decision, SCOTUS agreed with McGirt, and in the process acknowledged that a sizeable chunk of eastern Oklahoma (not the whole thing) including Tulsa was Muscogee Reservation territory. The immediate effect may be to give Mr. McGirt a new trial under federal jurisdiction, since serious felonies like the one he's charged with are still under federal jurisdiction. But of course the case is precedent for others that are certain to follow, possibly including oil, gas, environmental protection, taxation, etc And other tribes will surely want to get in on the action.

The Muscogee are one of five so-called civilized tribes, which include my own Chickasaw tribe , and are culturally related to the Chickasaw, as are the Choctaw, Cherokee, and Seminole. We came to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears like the Muscogee, and as Justice Gorsuch, writing for the majority, put it: "On the far end of the Trail of Tears was a promise". The other civilized tribes should be in the same position as the Creek to claim their land. The Chickasaw encompass all or parts of thirteen counties in south-central Oklahoma. Grady County is part of the Oklahoma City metro, and towns like Ada, Duncan, Durant, Ardmore, and of course Tishomingo could be affected, But we'll see. The Choctaw in southeastern Oklahoma is the second largest Indian reservation in area after the Navajo. The Cherokee Nation, based in Tahlequha, spans fourteen counties in the northeastern corner of Oklahoma. The Seminole Nation of South central Oklahoma includes most of Seminole county. I'd expect each of these tribes of the Trail of Tears to follow the path of Mr. McGirt.

Of course besides the five civilized tribes who made it to Oklahoma via the Trail of Tears, there are over thirty other tribes in Oklahoma, most of whom didn't take that route. The extent to which the Court's decision affects them, if at all, remains to be seen.

 

Well then if what you say about the police is true and I have no experience personally to make me doubt you, then instead of cries being made to defund the police, the opposite should be the case. From what you have said it seems that a large majority of our police officers are "bounty hunters" who have a target of arrests they have to reach every day/week/month/year? The police service should therefor pay their officers more money so as to perhaps attract a more honest recruits. At the same time those who are setting these "targets" should be rooted out and charged.

Having said this, we cannot escape the fact and it is a fact, that police officers perform very, very hazardous work. So would it be an improvement if police officers were to be hamstrung by regulations that protected suspected criminals at the expense of the brave men and women who answer 911 calls twenty four seven?

I think and its just a gut feel, that if President Trump fails to get elected for another four years, the pressure on the police will be a thing of the past.

 

“Objectively reasonable” is a legal standard handed down by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1989. An officer therefor has to make his/her force-option decision based on the actions of the suspect. In essence then its the suspect who forces the officer to choose a force/no force response. Is this decision handed down over 30 years ago still relevant in today’s USA? Especially during, rioting, burning & looting? Do officer's have the time to even consider such options in such cases?

 

You speak as if white supremacy and killer cops are mutually exclusive which they are not.

Case in point three white North Carolina police officers who were fired for their hate-filled threatening remarks “We are just going to go out and start slaughtering” black people”

 

And you seem to be focusing on one grain of rice from the entire harvest. Even if every single Leo in America is a white supremacist, the number of number of unjustified killings of black men by them isn't the largest problem they have with being killed. Not even close.