Are Things Just Too Far Gone? (In Regards To This World At Large)

I'll correct myself on the sports part btw, I guess you ment supporters of a team/people that follow sports on tv etc. Anyway, you're a bit off. Of course some people fit your description of them but you (and me for that matter) simply don't dig sports like that so this is why it can seem like nothing more than a 'distraction' to you. Same with how others might see some of your favourite activities. To insist it is all as worthless to them as it seems to you is a sure way to clash with reality.

 

There is nothing wrong with the world now that hasn't always been wrong. We're just a little better at it.

 

Fukushima?

 

When "we" shifted from agrarian societies into consumer societies, the begining of the end was upon us. Don't believe me? Imagine ALL grocery stores closing tomorrow. Immediate chaos would be the result because we don't and can't feed ourselves now. We are consumers- not producers.. Some primitives could carry on, such as those in the jungles away from modern society. They missed all this we now live with. They may turn out to be the lucky ones down the line.

And of course=BUY MORE. BUY MORE NOW.

 

Maybe the beginning of the end was actually when we settled down into a sedentary agricultural life during the neolithic. That was when we moved away from the life we evolved to live as a part of nature. The day we planted the first row of beans and gave up our nomadic hunter-gatherer lifestyle everything that has developed since was probably inevitable. All the good and all the bad.

It still remains to be seen if the whole project of civilization will manage to develop into something better than this mess, or if we'll end up loosing all in some kind of collapse.

Either way, you're probably right that those people foraging in the jungle would stand a far better chance of surviving a big collapse than folks like us.

 

I liken negativity and evil in the world to the Law of Conservation. Evil can never be created or destroyed, it merely changes form. The world isn't any more malicious than it was years ago. We simply have different types of chaos. Humanity isn't static, and neither is the face of tragedy. People tend to view the past as better than the present, but I don't agree.

 

the problem with the title of this thread is how do you define "too" and how do you define "gone".
there tend to always be things one or another of us find unpleasant. even at times a majority of us.
this being so, it remains up to each and all of us, to avoid creating the incentives that keep them that way.

remember, nothing would be messed up, without incentives for people to keep and make them so,
and those incentives, come statistically from, how each and all of us live, what we choose, take for granted,
or don't even think about, as being important to us, and are thus reflected, often without thought,
in our OWN choices and behavior.

one's own ego, greed, aggressiveness, create the markets for those of others,
no matter how much we might otherwise claim, tell others, or wish to imagine ourselves,
that we live by love or wish for peace.

as for evil, there is no other evil then aggressiveness itself, and that, we CAN discipline ourselves to not be.

 

I used to agree, before I studied history

People romanticize the past. This doesn't mean life was awesome for many in the past too. And surely many became ecstatic about their society when comparing it to their past or to other societies. But when we compare it to what society and civlisation enables people to now I can't say 'things are further gone' now than ever. Maybe if I'd confuse TV with reality I'd agree with the pessimists.

I agree a lot with the rest of your post. It kind of annoys me when I see all these people claiming our civilisation sucks so much. Sure, pollution sucks a lot, I agree wiith that, and yeah we can kill a lot of people easier with one weapon, also bad. And yeah, lots of people buy too much stuff merely out of convenience... but civilisation is so much more and has brought us so much more.

 

Hmmmm....what do you define as aggressivie? Screaming out for people to stop doing something this is hurtful and causing disharmony...or the quiet passive aggressive that know which buttons to push to create discord and disharmony and trouble?

Each soul knows what its own motive is......