Are women biologically programmed to reward cruelty, evil and domination?

I simply don't understand the human drive to survive. For most of history, humans were just slaves and serfs on the edge of survival. Why didn't humanity just commit mass suicide? What the heck is so precious about life? Am I missing something? Or is it just genetic instinct?

None of this is personal. Humanity hasn't done anything horrible to me personally. But I had a chance to observe human society as a neutral objective outsider, and it made me want to vomit blood.

 

Maybe you should experience the urge to survive and find out. Really experience it for yourself, what it is to actually have to struggle for your very life.

It doesn't matter where it comes from. It could be genetic instinct or some plan of god's. It could be random chance or part of some grand lesson. It's there. It's at your very core. And you've never even seen what it looks like, yet you spit on it. Why don't you find out? Look death in the eye, I think you'll learn something.

I'm not actually talking about killing yourself. I don't find it likely you'll take that step. I'm talking about experiencing life in jeopardy. I'm talking about living outside your soiled and broken little bubble of self-loathing. Stepping outside your oh-so-comfortable misery. Do something daring, actually -try- life out for once. Just once. I mean, what will it cost you?

The most liberating day of my life was the day I almost killed myself. I was right on that edge, I saw no point to going on. And yet, I didn't do it. Didn't even attempt it. Instead, I chose to give life a try. I chose to live a life entirely without fear, because hell, what more could life do to me? The worst that could happen would bring me back to that precipice where I was fully willing to end it all.

So all the things I'd once looked down on, I tried. All the things I'd been taught to fear, I embraced. All the things that held me back, now motivated me, urged me on.

You say you take no pleasure in anything biological. Well, that means you take no pleasure at all. Because the biological is the spiritual and vice versa. There's no dividing line. Your spirit -is- gross matter, and your matter is spiritual. Your body is but a mere projection of your own thoughts, and your thoughts are merely rogue artifacts of the biochemical computer that is your brain. Both are true. And neither.

Give it a try. Do something brave and foolish. Look back to a time before this depression, what did you want to do? What did you dream of. Simple things, I mean. Not saving the world, not creating a new order, because that will never be the work of one human, or even one generation.

And look at the actions in humans that you despise. Look closely. What is it that you really hate about them? Why? Is it the selfishness and greed? Well, You Are That, so start trying out compassion and selflessness. Is it the pointlessness? Then create a purpose. Is it the violence? Well then resolve to be a pacifist. Should be easy if you care so little for your life. Might be harder then you imagine, but it's at least worth a try!

It's quitting that is the source of evil. It's never trying to begin with. It's looking at the harms that humanity does to one another, and ignoring all the good, and deciding, well, everyone else is doing it... This is the road to that which you call evil. And your feet are well down that path. So... deviate.

I promise you I don't come from, or live on, some other planet. And I love, and am loved. I have friends that care about me, and I care about them. I have motivation to really do good in this world.

I've spent hours on this with you. I'm doing this because I see someone with whom I have a kinship. Someone who feels this world, feels all of it, who feels the burdens of living within a world you see as so gray, so bleak. And yet, that same capacity for feeling means you are also capable of so much joy. Able to give so much. Your capacity for suffering gives you the ability to gain such wisdom.

But you have to be willing to try. Be willing to fight. Be willing to strive, and to hope. Hope against all evidence to the contrary that there is a possibility of more then what you now see. Envision something better. And join those of us who are working to make it a reality.

 

Sperm banks..

 

Regardless, you are in possession of it.

Actually serfdom and principalities are a recent development in the history of man. Every thing is one breath away from death.

No, you are just ignoring it for the sake of perpetuating your own misery.

Yeah, it's personal. I am not made to feel like vomiting blood.

 

Require donors.

 

Theres enough for hunderds of years...

 

All the same.

 

Enough what? they'll pay anyone to jizz in a cup... I thought the whole point here was that women select traits to pass on subconsciously... or something? *edit* ok, i see you where going on a different tangent.... the below still applies, however.

I could be totally wrong. But.... Sounds a bit arrogant of you to me, assuming you even had ovaries... the sperm comes from somewhere....

If you have sidestepped the whole of reality and can preform asexual reproduction, more power to you, but if not... thank god you won't pass on any genes.

 

Well there is no "need" for children. So I don't see why the genders would want to have anything to do with each other.

 

I'm sure no one here has a need to talk to you either.

 

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I've got another one for you: If all of this shit's meaningless, then how can you possibly define "evil" or "good"? if it doesn't matter, there is no evil, or good.

And if there is no evil, saying "I hate life because of the bad shit in it (cruelty, domination, evil, what have you...)" is pretty silly, because you're saying you have a meaningless emotion about an imaginary moral polarity.

 

They're great for fetching stuff for you, like a beer, or the remote.

 

Because we like each other? At least sometimes, at least some of us. Because we give each other pleasure. Because love is desirable, and most people desire love with the opposite sex.

You may go ahead and call that mere biological impulse, but at that level, so is all your pain and suffering. So is your so-called morality. Just random firings of neurons in a failing branch of the genetic tree. All your desires for a better world, all your visions of doom. All at least as meaningless as love. More so, since they don't even give you any pleasure.

 

Though, for sex/love/relationships, same-sex can be pretty awesome too. Tends to just work out better for me anyway.

 

So pleasure and love are synonymous terms?

 

Well of course that's fine, but it's got to anger you a bit when either women or men act as though their sex is a species unto itself and they're better than the opposite sex.

OR when men pretending to be very foolish, ignorant, damaged women display that same opinion.

 

This thread is very interesting. I empathize somewhat with enamdar, in that our culture today does have some traits that rather suck. I get down about it sometimes too. Yet, clearly your view is VERY LIMITED. Get outside, go meet people that are ACTIVELY trying to make the world a better place, I assure you, they are there, trying their damndest. GO HELP THEM. There are people involved in activism of every sort, and those involved in simply trying to live in better ways. My recommendation is to go to the national Rainbow Gathering coming up soon. This at least will show you that you don't have to get a job, go to school, or live with your parents, and unless you really want to, you're not going to starve.

autumnbreeze, your dialog is very well crafted. You are clearly a goddess. I commend you.

Love and Light,
Joshua

 

Of course not silly. They do both occasionally arise out of the meeting of the sexes though. When things go well, they come together.

 

Great advice! I second it, wholeheartedly.

Oh, and, thanks. *blush*

 

I thought it was a silly equation, but when I read the above statement the linear logic seems to suggest that pleasure, sex, and love, are all the same constituent.