Are you happy to know you will die?

Hmmm what the fuck have i just walked into?
Death happens if you let yourself become sick.
It can happen in car accidents, workplace accidents and accidents in the home.
I think the OP is a nutjob.

 

And although I'm disconcerned with whatever happens during death at the moment, that doesn't mean I don't care about death, I don't want to die, so I'm trying to live which is why it is disconcerning at the moment at least. I'll ponder all that when my time is closer. Still think I might have a good 30 years left, maybe 40. Maybe 50. Maybe 24.

 

I'm not ready to leave
Its too scary to die
I'll have to be carried inside the cemetery and be buried alive

 

I've always had a influence in immortality.
Like vampires etc. Alexander the Great was also obsessed so I don't have to feel bad for it.

 

If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands! I can't say I'm happy because I know I'll die, but I'm happy and I've known for a long time that I'll eventually die. I accept it as part of life, and am ready to go at any time. My only concern is avoiding a prolonged infirmity, but I think I'm ready to accept whatever fate has in store. Not much else we can do about it. It's a wonderful life, and I'm grateful for it.

 

Mercy. Say it, call it out and you will feel no more..

 

Again, even reading through this thread it's obvious culturally we don't perceive and handle death in the most beneficial way.

There's so much to say on this topic, and in a situation like this its a topic which is incredibly difficult to discuss productively, honestly most times I won't even try...

What I wrote below got incredibly disorganized and I didn't have the time or energy to straighten things out and arrange it into a top notch post, chances are most of what I wrote would have been misunderstood or taken out of context, or it would have been ignored all together. Seems like people here are more interested in calling each other fags or discussing material which rarely strays above the level of trash, so when it comes to deep, abstract, creative, philosophical or spiritual thought my expectations here are incredibly low... ...


One of my friends makes me watch movies and Netflix series with her, and being that I'm just happy to spend time with her I end up watching all kinds of movies and series that I otherwise probably wouldn't have. Any way, we were watching "the OA" and this exact topic came up. Here, I found a transcribed excerpt from the scene which I was talking about:

Yassi: Yeah, R and D, and our latest part, it's pretty cool.

Homer: I thought it was a design firm.

Yassi: It is. We're thinking about how to redesign death. I mean, culturally. ...The aesthetics of hospitals, the tone of funerals.
Everything surrounding death is full of either fear or schlock.
It's such a wasted opportunity.

Homer: - Financially?

Yassi: - Yeah, financially but also to get people dealing with their mortality rather than running from it, You know, like, talking end-of-life care.

-The OA

The yassi character ends up making one of my points here, specifically in that culturally we really don't handle death very well.

I think that understanding death is crucial here, and as we build a better understanding of death we will simultaneously build better cultural modes of dealing with death.

I think psychedelics are one of our most powerful tools when it comes to the understanding or death, and by using these tools I feel culturally we can redesign how death is viewed we can also reshape and redesign death on a personal and spiritual level.

"I take seriously the notion that these psychedelic states are an anticipation of the dying process—or, as the Tibetans refer to it, the Bardo level beyond physical death. It seems likely that our physical lives are a type of launching pad for the soul. As the esoteric traditions say, life is an opportunity to prepare for death, and we should learn to recognize the signposts along the way, so that when death comes, we can make the transition smoothly. I think the psychedelics show you the transcendental nature of reality." -TMK


The metaphor of a vehicle--an after-death vehicle, an astral body--is used by several traditions. Shamanism and certain yogas, including Taoist yoga, claim very clearly that the purpose of life is to familiarize oneself with this after-death body so that the act of dying will not create confusion in the psyche. One will recognize what is happening. One will know what to do and one will make a clean break. Yet there does seem to be the possibility of a problem in dying. It is not the case that one is condemned to eternal life. One can muff it through ignorance.

Apparently at the moment of death there is a kind of separation, like birth--the metaphor is trivial, but perfect. There is a possibility of damage or of incorrect activity. The English poet-mystic William Blake said that as one starts into the spiral there is the possibility of falling from the golden track into eternal death. Yet it is only a crisis of a moment--a crisis of passage--and the whole purpose of shamanism and of life correctly lived is to strengthen the soul and to strengthen the ego's relationship to the soul so that this passage can be cleanly made. This is the traditional position...
What psychedelics encourage, and where I hope attention will focus once hallucinogens are culturally integrated to the point where large groups of people can plan research programs without fear of persecution, is the modeling of the after-death state. Psychedelics may do more than model this state; they may reveal the nature of it.

From a talk given at the invitation of Ruth and Arthur Young of the Berkeley Institute for the Study of Consciousness, 1984. New Maps of Hyperspace is chapter 7 of The Archaic Revival by Terence McKenna.

The western outlook on death seems to be that death is dark, negative, and that it is something that should be out of sight and out of mind. People in the west prefer not to talk about death or to think about death, and as a result it has caused us to become a population that doesn't understand or truly know how to handle death.

I have experienced death and rebirth via high dose dimethyltryptamine, and as someone who heavily incorporates tibetan Buddhism into their personal philosophy I was also able to recognize that I had entered a state which was after death, but before reincarnation, I was propelled through these three States described in the tibetan book of the dead:

1. The chikhai bardo or "bardo of the moment of death", which features the experience of the "clear light of reality", or at least the nearest approximation of which one is spiritually capable;
2. The chonyid bardo or "bardo of the experiencing of reality", which features the experience of visions of various Buddha forms, or the nearest approximations of which one is capable;
3. The sidpa bardo or "bardo of rebirth", which features karmically impelled hallucinations which eventually result in rebirth, typically yab-yum imagery of men and women passionately entwined.

So. I wondered if tibetan Buddhist when given DMT would agree, and the answer was a clear and undisputed "yes". below are three different excerpts, each is describing the same story but each excerpt was taken from a different event:

I once had a fortunate opportunity of being able to turn a very prominent Tibetan lama onto DMT—a name that you would recognize, although not one of the top five, but a more wizened, older, stranger character. And I, you know, he did it, and I said, "So what about it?" You know, these people, these Tibetan Buddhists, have a pretty good map of the territory. He said it's the lesser lights. He said you can't go further than that without breaking the thread of return. -TMK

I took DMT to a lama of great accomplishment, not one of the grab-ass can of Budweiser welded to the good right hand lamas but a real lama. This guy was over 90 when he smoked DMT and since his wheel has turned. And he said to me 'it's the lesser lights'. He said 'you can't go further into the Bardo and return.' -TMK


I gave it to Tibetans, they said "this is the lesser lights, the lesser lights of the Bardo. You cannot go further into the Bardo and return. This takes you as far as you can go." -TMK

 

yes and no.

happy i won't need to experience the negative shit in life, sad to miss out on the good

 

Most people live their lives in denial. Society is in a state of denial. We want all of the good things and none of the bad things. We are obsessed with materialism. Then when someone dies, there is faux shock for a brief moment, but we bury it in the back of our heads and all is forgotten in a fortnight. As we fix our focus once again on Earthly delights, all believing that our time will never come.

It isn't that it's necessarily bad to "live life to its fullest." It's the wishy-washy denial that gets me. The comfort. Always told not to panic, that everything is going to be all right. Friends, family, and love is all there is to think of. Which doesn't hold up when a death occurs. People often complain that others, the people closest to them, don't seem to understand how they're feeling. And no one really talks about it, except in wishy-washy terms. "Oh, Jessica is an angel in Heaven now. Jessica is my angel."

I don't think we need to confront death, though. I just don't think we need to avoid it with all of this escapism. Our society suffers from a severe lack of perspective. The accumulation of wealth is put on a pedestal; nevermind the lack of perspective the man who accumulated that wealth has, his fixation being entirely upon Earthly gains. When do we see past man's ego and fully realize that we are all miniscule and frail, that there is no such thing as an important man?

The idea that greed is innate in all men and that we shouldn't deny it via cooperation rather than capitalism and materialism is a self-fulfilling prophecy when we live in denial. Human life, and the lives of "important men," begin to lack substance. If someone famous dies tomorrow, it's just another prepackaged headline that tastes good with our Lucky Charms, and we think about going to the gym so we can live to a ripe old age. Society has to be overturned, because it doesn't align with the truth, which is that all men are created feeble. That no matter how you decorate a man, he is in the grips of death like all other men.

So I see that it has a lot to do with fame and celebrity, and this sort of caste system of men. Just think of how vain it is to ask someone for an autograph. This sort of thing perpetuates the denial, as if someone is eternal or above it all. A little less confidence and a little more depression would serve us all well, in my opinion. We are all but feeble men and women, caught in the whirlwind of life. Mere actors on a stage, everyone as famous and legendary as the next.

 

I'm rather disappointed.

 

ironic, he died so young.

 

I think people in cults manage to get the happiest about dying. Christianity could be called a cult, but I don't think big swaths of it are like this, where they get excited about dying, though there are factions. The Heaven's Gate cult was excited about it. The Branch Davidians were excited about it. In my experience, your everyday Christian isn't like, "Oh boy, I can't wait to go be with Jesus!" though. Even the Christian religion doesn't focus on death that much. But it's just as much of a sickness to obsess over death as it is to live in denial of death, so...

Christians, for the most part, live in denial like everybody else. It's just all too easy to focus on material gain, especially when death seems so scary. It's like, "Gee, divert my attention to materialism or face the grim specter of death? Which to choose, which to choose..."

 

That's what you think. He actually became a vampire. Burned somewhere in the 19th century I believe

 

well I in last stage of my life I retired..I try not to think about it..But know that is next step of life ….It s tuff not think bout it if ya watch day time tv...Full of adds for furnral homes .old heathcare adds and falling and can t get up shit....Just have to take life day by day try not think bout it..Just think good thoughts....go on these forums rad funny and sex shit..look at beautyfull woman on puter..enjoy life...well knap time latter

 

It would be nice floppin' around on a cloud genuflecting for eternity. Oh, and learning the harp.

 

I'm happy to be living, I will be fine with dying.
It used to scare me, or sadden me, but I am actually just fine with it, now.

 

Think of it this way, if you're death date is in the next few days, all this climate change and political chaos and plastic pollution.. you don't need to worry about it now : )
I'm sure there will be plenty of things I am relieved to get away from when my time comes.

 

"Dumb All Over"

Whoever we are
Wherever we're from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
It's gonna take a lot more
Than tryin' to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether
They call it THE EARTH
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
'Cause we behave the same...
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near'n far
Dumb all over
Black 'n white
People, we is not wrapped tight
Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religious fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin' the Bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
'Bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book
We got over here
You can't run a race
Without no feet
'N pretty soon
There won't be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religious fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it won't blow up
'N disappear
It'll just look ugly
For a thousand years...)
You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state
TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
Hooray! That's great
Two legs ain't bad
Unless there's a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (Get down!)
Not his, not hers (but what the hey?)
The Good Book says:
"It's gotta be that way!"
But their book says:
"REVENGE THE CRUSADES. . .
With whips 'n chains
'N hand grenades. . ."
TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS?
Have another and another
Our Cod says:
"There ain't no other!"
Our Cod says
"It's all okay!"
Our God says "This is the way!"
It says in the book:
"Burn 'n destroy. ..
'N repent, 'n redeem
'N revenge, 'n deploy
'N rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
'Cause they don't go for what's in the book
'N that makes 'em BAD
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice French bomb
To poof them out of existence
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise OURGOD
("Cause he can really take care of business!")
And when his humble TV servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blonde wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
It's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'Cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to hebbin!
(Depending on which book you're using at the time...
Can't use theirs. . .it don't work . . .it's all lies...Gotta use mine...)
Ain't that right?
That's what they say
Every night...
Everyday. ..
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following
God's Orders
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An'the book says:
He made us all to be just like Him,"
so...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)