As a Christian - Know what I get sick of???

I would direct you to 1John 3:6-10. beginning, "no one who abides in him sins and no one who sins has either seen him or known him."

 

Matthew 15:11
"Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."

My words can be considered sin by some, therefore they're not the truth to those people. However, I exist, therefore I am not a sinner. If sin is wrong, I would not exist if I was sin. I exist, therefore I am not a sinner, therefore I am the truth. The truth is sin does not exist.

If what comes out of my mouth isn't the truth, then I must be the truth. If what I say wasn't the truth and if I myself was not the truth (If I was sin or a sinner), I would not exist. Something doesn't exist if it is not the truth. Only the truth exists. I exist, therefore I am the truth. The truth is sin does not exist.

This is just the shorter version of what I said above.

 

From this I glean that you are without sin - as Christ was without sin.
1 John 1:8 says "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Or Romans 7 - The Apostle Paul - " I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it."

To say you are without sin is tantamount to saying you are the equal of Christ - God himself come to earth. Lucifer made the same declaration.

 

John 8:11
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 8:10-12

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

I guess Paul is the authority, not Jesus. Paul was speaking from a personal misunderstanding of Christ. Sorry. Truth hurts. Sin is a self created delusion of separation. You make the choice to live that way, no one else.

This is not in the Bible, We Are One in Christ. Being one means being equal. Religion keeps this false ideology alive, when truly if we could live free of sin, as has come from the mouth of Jesus Christ (himself), there would be no need for all the religious denominations. The preachers would have to sell their giant houses, big cars, cancel expensive trips, and give up their extra-marital affairs.
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Ddoright:
Apparently your responses have turned out to be the epitome of your original post!

 

Epitome - Typical or ideal Example.
I'm not so sure about that - but the fact that some of the organized churches doctrines fly all over me takes nothing away from my belief system. - which is based on Christ Jesus.
I do not believe your quote from 1 John was a direct quote from Jesus - but from John - Perhaps HE has the misunderstanding of Jesus.
And to the woman at the well - Go and do not continue willfully sinning. But did she sin again - the bible does not address this - but my best guess is yes.
Peter - sinned, Paul - sinned, John - sinned - We all do.

 

Christ says of himself, he is equal to the least of us. As you do unto the least of these, you do also to me. He said not one thing concerning, "lucifer"

The devil means slanderer. Sin is a slander against a holy child of god.

 

Truth be known, beliefs are not required, they are not necessary, as a matter of fact, beliefs are limited and cannot be substituted for the Living Presence of Christ. One person has many ideas, and no relationship with Christ, another Only relationship with Christ and no ideas. Who has understood the teaching?

Absolute contradiction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then everything you have said, ever will say about the Bible and Jesus Christ has been pushed out the door, for a personal interpretation of who the authors of the scripts really are. You have just thrown out every belief you ever had in the Bible. I could very well say that about any book in the Bible when it comes to protecting interpretations of scripture, or maybe some regurgitated quotes from a preacher.

Done with this one. Anyone can re-read my comments and few others and see clearly without ever saying anything else.

 

I have no problem leaving Lucifer out of the discussion. I used the example only because Lucifer was a creation of God who claimed to be equal to God.
Christ voluntarily took on the persona of man to show man how to live - as a servant to others - and he was the least among them in that he was the truest servant.

 

Ddooright, the passage you quoted does depict a struggle that man faces in himself and I once found myself in the same struggle and I certainly did not feel redeemed. It seems that sin after all is a fundamental mis-identification of the world and the beings in it. It comes out in this stated purpose, "I have come that the seeing may be made blind, so that the blind may see."
"the eye is the lamp of the body, if the eye be sound, the whole body will be full of light, but if the light in you be darkness, then how great the darkness."

Repentance then, a reorientation of the pentacle of the senses to look for good with all heart and mind and strength. Be vigilant only for god and his kingdom, not vigilant for sin.

Forgiveness of sin is the practice that restores sight. It is the truth of that vision that sets one free. Christ is the truth about you. You are still as god created you and it is the height of arrogance to judge against that. It is vain to imagine that we had usurped the power of god.

 

I said this - tongue in cheek since you had insinuated - said - Paul had a misunderstanding of the teaching of Christ. We must depend on the veracity of Paul, John, Peter, Luke and so on or the bible is useless - Though I do appreciate the Jeffersonian Bible which has only the words of Christ.

 

I get sick of religion being used to divide and categorize people. People are people.

It's especially interesting because the word "religion" means to join together!

 

I will respond one more time, on this. The teachings of Paul contain contradictions. Jesus says one thing, Paul says another. Read all the quotes of Jesus, the read all of Paul's writings.


Paul contradicts Jesus

Have at it. At least there are scriptural references for my side of the story.

 

Does it really matter what disciples say? It seems pretty irrelevant to the big picture and the central message. Most give their own interpretation, it doesn't mean much more than that. Besides, most of the New Testament was written a long time after Christ died was it not?

 

Paul did not write Hebrews. It is anonymous.

 

Anyone with common sense can see that the vast majority of these supposed contradictions are merely differntly stated ideas.

4. On the sum of the commandments:

Paul says:
Rom.13
[9] The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus says:
Matt.22
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.

Jesus summs the entire list of commandments, whereas Paul uses the same logic, but leaves the Love of God out of the equation.

If you want to get really technical, they are not even speaking the same rhetorical language. Jesus is speaking about which two laws are necessary for all of the other laws to be followed. That is to say, if you do not love God and not love your neighbour, the rest of the law is moot.

Paul is saying that the other commandments can be summed up under the "love your neighbour" command. These two arguments are not inconsistent.



What bothers me as a Christian is that people try to sound smart by doing a little internet research.

 

Hey buddy, this is not a 'little' internet search, my first book is a commentary on the Testament of Jesus Christ. I am very versed and well informed about the True Teachings of Jesus.


The basic contradiction falls within the sin ideas. Paul does not believe one can live without sin, Jesus plainly did not teach this. I never said Paul wrote Hebrews, not sure where you got that from, maybe because you are searching real hard to undermine the blatant truth I pointed out. Are you also justifying that no one can live without sin, that we are stuck? Jesus taught one way, Paul taught another. In philosophy there is an old tool created by a monk "Ockham's Razor". The idea is that if it is not necessary then it should be cut out. If the added information does not clarify more, or offer further insight, then it should just be cut out. Paul's writings should be cut out of the Bible. They are a waste, they cause more strife than unity, even in Paul's day there were problems with his teachings. It seems rather funny that Paul's writings are the source for the what happens between the Apostles and him. Red flag right away....

In Paul's statement here he is creating all sorts of psycho-babble to justify his ignorance of ending sin. Really, this quote indicates a confusion about Christ, and a confusion about 'who he thinks he is'. There appear to be at least three personalities in Paul. You have a sinner - no identity, you have some sort of 'I' concept - again no identity, and you apparently have evil - the devil. Where is Jesus Christ in all this sinning, where is the forgiveness to live without sin, and the Faith to conquer sin at every turn, and moment of life? It is not there, Paul was confused, and that is being generous.

 

Non-Christians? Like the new governor of Alabama? Seems to be a common theme in a lot of Christian circles. Don't give me that "we love the sinner" crap.

 

Yeah - that's a tough one - Love Dick Chaney _ uhhh - I don't think so. But it's a good goal.

 

To Siddha Buddha - I know you are earnest in your beliefs - but I fear you have slid off into a very dangerous chasm that has eaten many who love Christ but been led astray.