As above so below

For a sound mind and body is not to ponder the past, or to worry about the future, but to live the present moment wisely and eat a cookie...

 

Fortune cookie!

 

misfortune pursues the sinner, but prosperity is the reward of the righteous cookie baker...

 

No, I was not objecting to your terms, I merely was objecting to your concept that "God and good then are synonymous terms".

Your quote was:
God = good = reality
By interpolation you could also say:
reality = good = God
and since reality also contains: murder, genocide, child abuse, one could say:
Reality = murder, genocide, child abuse
and thus you are saying:
reality = murder, genocide, child abuse = good = God
Quite simple really.

Interesting and in a way true but not in the sense you believe it to be.

Most people know what good and evil is, it's just that because of their own desires they have changed the meaning of the words to fit their desires.

Again, in a way, true but not in the sense that you are using.

Again, in a way, true but you are drawing wrong conclusions from it.

Yes, God's plan works, ours does not.

But if reality is self organizing, then it will straighten itself out without any outside help, the trouble is; why then has God helped? Why then the need for Jesus?

Yes, true.

So, death, murder, genocide or child abuse aren't really happening, it is just mistaken perception?

Yes I would.

No, it isn't. The context of the scripture is not perception but whether one is able to understand that Jesus is the Christ or not and be able to avail themselves of Jesus' sacrifice, otherwise there would be no need for his sacrifice.

So you saw this all in a dream, I can believe that.

 

So it is your position that God is not good.

Pray tell straighten us out.

The knowledge of good and evil is not knowledge, it is perception born of judgment.

Again we would like to be illumined.

Again we would like to be illumined.

Come unto me all who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest.

Did God create those things? How can you murder someone who cannot be killed? Be not afraid of those who can kill the body, you are not a body, you are an extension of the spirit of God, a child of God, not a child of the flesh. Call no man your father.

For judgment I have come into this world, that the seeing may become blind that the blind may see. Yes, it is about perception.

A deep sleep fell over Adam, no where does it say he woke up.

 

I'm just saying that if our "error in perception" is not beyond words, then playing the word game is using the same error to expose it. There is no point in this thread of yours that transcends that same fallacy. I see this provoking nothing other than intolerance from scripturecrazy Christians.

 

Crazy is crazy. Perhaps we can soften our intolerance of scripture crazed christians. Words play a vital role in determining perspective. It is through the use of words that consonant circumstances arise. By his words a man is justified and by his words he is condemned. If you say that there is evil in the world, if you look for evil, then evil is what you perceive. An error in perception is an error in description.

This thread is ours.

 

I do not believe words hold that power unless you really wish them to, which from experience is just another delusion. We sign into the ego game, in which our minds currently function, with words. But does that belong to the good? Doesn't seem so. Just seems like another projection of mind. I do believe words play that vital role in determining our perspective....but a perspective is a personal belonging. To discuss good and god as synonyms does not determine my perspective of mind, most likely only yours. It has no relevance to our source, which is far more relevant to the idea of god than synonyms.

 

all these threads are your, except Europa..

 

cripey , last night i dreamed similar words .
these :

perspective is identity

this was not a pleasant dream experience . awkwardly creative - the thought became , stood then stumbled .

the experience i've had in this world with god felt as intersected perspective . i didn't note a change of my identity , nor do i have much to say about god having identity . the most i say , and i say this tiny'ly - god is small . i don't intend to mean much .

 

It is a power that you cannot avoid. We cannot escape the power of our own thinking. Everything that you see has been organized and communicated through narrative. Every portion is named or you do not recognize it.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with what you believe, however, That we identify obtaining our good as the devotional thrust of our lives has every thing to do with our source. The point in demonstrating that God and good are synonymous terms is to demonstrate that the motives of the "secular" regard are the very same of those of religious persuasion. Just because a description does not contain overtly religious terms, does not mean it is without truth. Further, just because a description is couched in religious terms does not mean that the description is without reason. There is no reason for enmity among brothers, we just don't recognize one another.

 

No you don't have to change, reduce, or abolish your identity. Just it appears to be that identity amongst all other aspects of cut out mind seem to be barrier between them and the light.

 

Getting further and further from the center, your words, but I'll add we can change our thoughts.

I disagree that we need names to recognize something. Perhaps as a construct in our mind, but not in the matter of matter and energy.

I will read further into your words though in some search for understanding. I have to go....lol..shit

 

Who are you arguing with? I didn't say anything about changing or abolishing identity.
My premise is that suffering is caused by the misapprehension of what is so.
We wage war for offenses that occurred only in the imagination. We battle with demons that are born in the shadow of misunderstanding.

Real is what we are. Reality supports reality, there is no opposing will, we need only let go of the verdicts we have pronounced against ourselves, to be finally aware of this. This is the reason for the God given remedy of forgiveness, mercy.

 

Actually as we go along, the original intent of the post is being fleshed out. That intent, the marriage of heaven and earth, resolution.

Solution is equal dispersal.

In that we can change our thoughts, "change our mind", you have hit on the power of will, the meaning of choice. You cannot rearrange the oceans but you can change your mind about the world. You can repent, reorient the pentacle of the senses. The kingdom of heaven, in this way is at hand.

Here again you are absolutely correct. The mind is naturally abstract, it deals in symbols. It is also important, as you say, to recognize that every word symbol represents an embodied sensation. If we get hung up on the form of the symbol we fail to discern the embodied content or meaning.
Hence the statement God and good are synonymous terms. It is a lesson in discerning form from content. In other words you can't judge a book by it's cover.

 

Can I has cookie please!?!?

 

But in this case the cover is the name or symbol. Or is that what you're saying? Not too sharp, myself.

And the first reply was intended for the poster that posted before you, and it wasn't argumentative at all.

 

Exactly, in this case, the cover is the name or symbol. You are plenty sharp.

No wonder I was perplexed.

 

No, my position is that God is good but good is not God and thus the two terms are not synonymous.

That which is made crooked cannot be made straight.

Then why do you call it knowledge?

Yes, Jesus said that but that does not explain, as I asked, why the need for Jesus' sacrifice?

No, he did not.

Do you say the same thing about child abuse?

No, you may want it to be about perception but it’s not.

So this is all Adam’s dream and we are all just figments of his dreams.