Attention Parents Of Teens!!!!

You kill him now LOL.

 

Well Irongoth does make some points. Yes it is illegal, and can fuck your life over legally. This is why it's always best to know the laws, and keep any violations to a misdemeanor level. Here in FL for instance, if I have more than 20 grams, its a fucking felony! That is definitely life altering. Pot does make certain people lazy and stupid. Likely this is because they stay blazed as shit all day long, and they were lazy and stupid to being with. But that's a different argument. Which brings me to my main disagreement with Irongoth. Pot does NOT make permanent changes to the way your brain functions. Obviously science has transcended the facts of the time when you were doing your "research".

 

Irongoth is totally right about asset forfeiture though. That's why I definitely don't condone growing in your parents houses. A simple possesion won't be as drastic as he is making it out to be, they would charge you not the parents. But start moving a lot of weight through that house, or growing, and they could pop your rents also.

But, on the other hand, civil disobedience is nothing new. And is one of the most effective ways to change policy.

Get up, stand up, stand up for your right.

 

Maybe he'd just rather suck some dick.

 

IronGoth isn't worth a piss in the wind. Arguing with a straight edge ass like him will get you nowhere. I can EASILY find scientific PROOF to discount everything he said, but a joker like him would still rable on......After reading many of his replies, he strikes me as an individual that LOVES to hear himslef talk and give out twisted advice. I agree that growing in a parents home is a bad idea and that there are, infortunately, barbaric consequences to smoking a relatively harmless herb. The most dangerous thing to a pot smoker is the fucking LAW. The laws in this country are MUCH more detrimental to the user than the actual substance could ever be. Since when should the punishment be more severe than the crime?

Since he likes proof, go to www.jackherer.com and read the online version of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes". Get some fucking education and THEN maybe someone will take you seriously.

 

It would be better if an intelligent person was arguing with IronGoth, im not saying that im better in any way than MarijuanaPhysicist, but i just dislike him with a passion....so, yeah.
In my openion, marijuana has no barring on spelling. it may make you forget what your saying in the middle of a sentence...but hey, im spelling fine(maybe a few mistakes, and deffentaly a bunch of grammatical errors) and im on mushrooms.

IronGoh presents his argument well.... and he has a point. Bring illegal substances into a parents house is wrong. i do it, and i understand that no one, of any legal importance, will ever find my weed or even know that i smoke weed. my mom may find it, and i would get in big trouble, but the cops never will. the cops need permission, or a warrent, to enter my mothers home.

But i dont agree with him saying that marijuana will make you any diffrent of a person. Marijuana does not affect you after a few hours at the most. It wont make you stupid, lazy, or slow. after the THC, and other chemicals, are full absorbed, and the effects die off, then THATS IT! you go back to your normal life. (not that you ever left "normal life", because anything that you normaly do, you can do under the influence of marijuana)

it wont lead you to other drugs( you have to make the decision to take a drug, marijuana will not make you do that, you dont lose your sence or right and wrong or commen sence while under the influence of marijuana.) stupid people make stupid decisions, intelligent people make intelligent decisions(under the influence of marijuana or not). if people dont have self-control then marijuana cant be blamed for what they do.

 

Let's see what "Mr. Knowitall" has to say to this...: http://www.jackherer.com/chapter15.html

Here's a short excerpt...:

The Official Story

Debunking "Gutter Science"

After 15 days of taking testimony and more than a year's legal deliberation, DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young formally urged the DEA to allow doctors to prescribe marijuana. In a September 1988 judgement, he ruled: "The evidence in this record clearly shows that marijuana has been accepted as capable of relieving the distress of great numbers of very ill people, and doing so with safety under medical supervision . . . It would be unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious for the DEA to continue to stand between those sufferers and the benefits of this substance in light of the evidence in this record. In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man."

Yet former DEA Administrator John Lawn, his successor, Robert Bonner, and current DEA Administrator John Constantine - non-doctors all! - have refused to comply and have continued to deprive persons of medical cannabis, according to their own personal discretion.

 

See! That's some fucked up shit. The government officials know for a FACT that marijuana has no adverse affects, but still refuse to legalize it. That's just about the most stupid thing I've ever read.

 

Okay I've read enough.

America is a country were you can give your kids anti-depresents and have them commit suicide. America is a country were you can drink and get heart, and liver disease. America is a place were you can smoke cigs and get lung cancer. America is a place were they make Marijuana illegal, but they make it for medical use.

You don't see "Medical Beer" or "Medical Tobacco"!

I was on the verge of losing all my patience before I smoked Marijuana. Then a friend got some and my whole life started over again. I feel better, and act better. I look down upon people who get stoned and wasted then go out driving and die in a crash. They give people like me a bad name, because all I wanna do is chill and relax. I want to use this plant responsibly. People abuse it and get screwed, but if you respect it you will do good.

I have some links to some websites that show health and medical studies. Also some other interesting stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana

http://www.thc-ministry.net/cannabisinfo.htm

I will always love this plant, and I will always respect it! I have planned out my life already, I'm going to Amsterdam for about 3-4 years with my friend for a super long vacation. Then I'm going to Japan to live, I'm also learning and studying the language! I will have vacations to America to visit my parents, and I will have vacations to Amsterdam.

I'm not trying to make you smoke, I'm just trying to make you understand that not all stoners are bad people that have no future. I'm trying to make you understand why Marijuana is good for the body, soul, and the mind.

So peace out.

-Zassou Kitsuensha

 

There are too many industries (i.e. $$$, campaign funding..) that have a vested interest in the prohibition.

 

so, someone makes it illegal, claiming its wrong, and telling you that you cant use it...doesnt sound like freedom to me, but then again, who made them in charge in the first place, why should someone have to pay THEM to live on a small amount of land? Why are they so damn special that they can call the shots and that makes them always right?
I smoke pot regularily, been doing it for years. I realized it works wonders with my insomia and my stomache pains. My perents know I smoke it and even let me as long as Im descreet and responsible with it. I know plenty of people who have been doing this for over 20 years. And Ive read of enough experiments claiming that marijuana doesnt rot your brain, yet cannabinoids move with brain cells, and effects a certain part of your brain which could cause short term memory loss. I know marijuana has never been linked to Lung cancer, and I know some of the most intellegent people who smoke it.....whats so damn bad about it that everyone has to look at a pot user and call them a criminal? I think you've been sucking off freevibe a little bit too much lately...

 

if that kid's posts were so worthless and stupid to him he sure did spend a lot of time writing back...just to cut him down. i hope he feels like a big man now. his motorcycle sure does speak highly of him....oooh, so manly! so macho! all muscle, no brains! and i totally agree with whoever it was, i'm too lazy to go back and check...must be all the "pot" of course, that talked about the gov't legality issue...yea, irongoth sounds like just another mindless robot who just repeats what he hears instead of learning and deciphering with his own mind...but maybe he's not too smart so we should be easy on him....naaaahhh! it's people acting like him that keep this hate machine intact!! i teach my kids to think for themselves....don't let someone else do it for them! not even me! and to always question everything including and especially the law and the gov't!!! who's laws do you live by?? slavery was legal and women voting wasn't...along with countless other unjust laws and so many people have been murdered totally legally so it must've been ok. eventually the people became enlightened...there is hope after all, thank goddess! irongoth you sounded like a big brat calling that kid names and playing the blame-game...what a father-figure! good to hear you are protecting your son and teaching him healthy eating habits...but please don't support "protecting" freedom away. do you realize how many folks are in jails or prisons in the states due to marijuana possession!? and you wanna add tobacco and alcohol to that list!? why not go back to the days of witch-burning! you'd be up shit's creek then! no religion!? you must be wicked---burn him!! no one wants to go back to those days, right? and there's all sorts of propaganda for any subject under the sun....we are all entitled to our own opinions but a central goal of peaceful cohabitation on our planet is necessary, which means we need to have respect! please, remember we are all teaching by example whether we are trying to or not...the youth are watching us and taking it all in....wishing peace to you and yours.

 

Look, normally i don't like to defend people like MJphysicist who tell people to sell fake weed getting them to think it's real, but you seem to be so full of propaganda irongoth. You think anything is illegal is wrong. It wouldn't surprise me if you were one of the people on the bus that Rosa Parks rode in bashing the shit out of her because her sitting up front is illegal. Second, you can deny it all you want, but cigarettes and alcohol cause way more deaths that mj.


Secondly, it is important for you to know that i work my ass off. I have a 3.9 gpa in college majoring in the CIS/IT field. Your stereotypes that cannabis users go nowhere in life is wrong. Sure they're are plenty of them, but I believe that EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. in other words, if somebody smokes mj everyday and doesn't care about school and drops out, they have to deal with the consequences.

And lastly, where do you get off bashing mj in a forum that is about using mj? The only thing that makes sense is that you are so provocative that you will ignore the reality and base you actions on propaganda and poorly formed mj-related studies.

 

amen brotha/sista

 

hahahaaa!!! that's GREAT!!! i'm gonna so steal that from ya...

 

not to single ya out, ssj3gotenks, but this just isn't true. parents are responsible for their kids actions - LEGALLY - with all the bs that entails, including loss of property & incarceration.

not any more - read the patriot act.

i seriously think you would hate prison. i think you would even hate to see your mom & dad in prison - because of you - no matter how mad you think you are at them.

 

I wonder how many of those drug "offenses" are possession of marijuana for personal use by a responsible adult toker. Marijuana possesion should not carry such heavy consequences, especially for personal use. It has never been proven to cause any harm to anyone.
And to anyone who claims that marijuana is a "gateway drug", it is only that way because it is illegal. The fact that it is illegal means that people have to come in contact with people that are selling other drugs and are trying to push those other drugs on young kids just trying to buy some weed. Fuck everyone that hates marijuana just beacuse the government tells them to hate it. Form your own opinions through facts and experience.

 

yeah, well fact is they throw ya in jail for it, no matter if it is 'better' or 'worse' or 'gateway' - whatever. and prisons are in it for the $$$$$$$ - there's lots of cash flyin into the govt's pocket cuz of a little mj. ya gotta learn to be careful, hell, even sneaky - which is a parenting issue, imo. i believe that i have to teach my sons to be sneaky, in a way, cuz if i didn't they would eventually get caught doing something... i have no illusions that my kids will be perfect. i can certainly WISH that...

and i don't know what the breakdown on that graph is, which drug crimes contribute the most money to the prison system. i got it from a link through www.prisonsucks.com if ya want to look around for yourself.

 

i stopped reading at p[age 5 and even then id read enough bs.

its a parents responsibility to not let them smoke dope as a teenager. my mum says its not ok. but thats caus us weed smokers tend to smoke often, multiple tiems a week. its just not something teenagers should be doing, but we do it anyway caus we are teenagers.

the problem is when parents teach their kids its bad because its evil, not because its illegal.

its only illegal because there are people like iron goth who think bad laws are fine to have around, just live through it and youll be fine.

but its also illegal caus of the ignorance that a few of the stoners have very unfortunately portrayed.

if a parent let their kids smoke dope, it would be increidbly irresponsible. but for a parent to tell their kid that its evil, and that it makes you stupid and will kill you and all that shit is wrong too.

if parent educated their kids, and if everyone was educated about weed, then people would know that the law is wrong. alchohol prohibition was overruled because everyone drank it, and become addicted, so they were pretty ,much forced to bring it back and realised they could make lots of money. the same would happen if everyone realised pot is alright but still we have people thinkning that it makes people dumb and kills your lungs and that. it does make people lazy but that can be overcome with the right education. alchoholism isnt correct, and neither is smoking all the time. some of us can handle it, good for us, but that doent mean laws should be changed unless everyone can be accounted for.

but for as long as the law is there, it sure IS a parents responsibility to keep their kids, and themselves out of trouble. it also is a parents responsibhility to keep their developing children away from drugs, but more importantly away from drug habits. we might still do it. but we shouldnt complain when we get busted. because then, it is clear that we have not matured.

 

Iron goth, you can go straight to hell because you're a piece of shit and i'm going to smoke all the dope I want. HAHAHA and i'm going to sell it to little kids in you're area.