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Discussion in 'Movies' started by Shale, Dec 19, 2009.

  1. ChronicTom

    ChronicTom Banned

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    I think the scene with hometree falling may have killed me in 3D... lol
     
  2. Gravity

    Gravity #winning

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    Just seen where this passed "Titanic" in gross sales. That crazy tbh

    I still didn't get a chance to watch this in IMAX 3-D, and doesn't look like I'll get a chance. They isn't a IMAX within 200 miles from here. WAH

    Anyways, excellent movie and one of my favorites of 2009. Very stimulating to the eye, and love the action which turned a 3 hour movie into what seemed like a fairly short movie. Very few slow parts, and everything kept me wanting more.

    Concept was dope. No complaints come to mind. Will deff purchase once this hits blu-ray.
     
  3. ganesha1967

    ganesha1967 barefoot bellybearer

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    Well, at least here's hope for all people who wish to become an Avatar operator... it might work in the future:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/03/avatar.technology.science/index.html?hpt=C2

    Side note: if you wish to judge yourself, why it would have been right to include at least Zoe Saldana as best actress nominee for the Academy Awards, watch the embedded video on "Avatar magic explained" - it shows the behind-the-scenes material of one of the dramatic and emotional scenes, where Jake discloses his original orders to the Omatikaya tribe and Neytiri's reaction (fury, sadness, disappointment) to him...

    Wiggling toes,

    ~*Ganesha*~
     
  4. dreadlocksftw

    dreadlocksftw Visitor

    Avatar was AMAZING.

    I wish Pandora was real. : /
     
  5. jimmydean885

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    i think dances with wolves had a better story and actually better visuals
     
  6. Snyfin

    Snyfin surfing the astral plane

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    this movie was the shit. nuff said. go see it if you haven't already.
     
  7. jamaican_youth

    jamaican_youth Senior Member

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    The Na'vi are sexy.
     
  8. Grim

    Grim Wandering Wonderer

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    Yeah, decent movie with a much too overbearing social commentary. At times you really had to tune out the poorly written dialogue and just look at the incredibly hot naked blue kitty girl.

    Of course that was the point - from the pleasant blue tone to the big eyes to the long, lithe design - the na'vi were designed to make you feel sympathetic and attracted toward them.

    Certain things like the mineral being named 'unobtainium' were eye-rollers, yet not really terrible - but I think one of the major failings was that they had the chance to make the conflict one of subtleties and shades of gray - but instead made it about as black and white as possible.

    It was mentioned that earth was low on resources and failing - which could have been explained a bit further to show that while humanity was there and certainly not necessarily 'good guys', they had no choice and it is either this or pretty much accepting extinction. It would have made the main guy's decision to turn against his race considerably more moving and shocking...but as written, the humans come across as utterly unapologetic, unforgivable stormtroopers and I couldn't see why he didn't turn against them instantly.

    Ah well, definitely worth having seen on a big screen in 3D. On a small screen when you're forced to listen to the dialogue and pay attention to the plot, it'll lose a lot of luster.
     
  9. jimmydean885

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    well said grim
     
  10. Shale

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    Yeah, that term stuck out and I even mentioned it with an eye-roll in my blurb. However, after posting that blurb on another Sci-Fi board, mostly full of nerds and geeks one of them mentioned that it was a real word in certain lexicons.

    "...I saw the film with a few fellow engineers and we all enjoyed the use of "unobtanium." I'm not sure if the term is used much outside of the aerospace industry, but it's been used as a long-running joke term for a material that fits whatever application you need it to. Okay, it's not a very good joke, but we're engineers, what did you expect?"
     
  11. albert101

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    I liked the movie, but, before I place it on my list of best all-time movies, I want to see if Avatar will stand the test of time. I'll wait twenty years and see if it's still acclaimed.
     
  12. ganesha1967

    ganesha1967 barefoot bellybearer

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    My guess is that it'll be remembered as the first milestone of nearly 100% performance capturing (as far as facial expressions and emotions go) as well as taking 3D movies to a new level...

    Basically, it'll be acclaimed for its use of motion picture tech rather than its story, I presume. Plus, in the time frame you mentioned, there are most likely to be several sequels, spin-offs and formats independent of the big screen - it might even get revamped, when movie technology has developed into something even more breathtaking - think about Star Wars and what happened when digital effects were becoming easy to apply. We are most likely to see several special editions of Avatar and its sequels, too. The first of these (what I'm waiting for, too) will be a director's cut with some of the missing scenes from the screenplay edited back into the movie (most probably R-rated for strange and alien but beautiful sex practice, some violence and a mercy killing among the Na'Vi...).

    Wiggling non-blue toes,

    Eywa ngahu,

    ~*Ganesha*~
     
  13. guerillabedlam

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    Are you under 20? How do you decide you are going to wait that long to put it on your best all-time movie lists. Oh and btw you said YOUR best all-time movies why do you care if it's acclaimed or not?
     
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    Greets
    As an sf buff of 40 years starting with late night viewing in 1968 of when worlds collide at age 9.

    And having read huge amounts of sf and owning just about every sf movie made.

    Avatar.

    A nice cgi transposition of human history. over acted and under talented in many places.
    Sam Worthington stands proud behind legend weaver in a sf take that is all adventure but not much realism. Its not the tech its the use of it and the allocation.
    An extrasolar colony would NOT be commanded by idiots. Yet the movie makes them as stupid a rocks.

    Avatar 2 will see earths comeback. 2x 5.8 years travel time plus makeready.. they will
    be back some 15 years later.

    Sam will of course keep the moon of gas supergiant in proxima system free of colonial control.

    Occam
     
  16. Shale

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    IDK.

    Look at our banks, gov't regulators of banks and lending institutions. So greedy that they let foreclosed homes go vacant rather than strike a deal so ppl can adjust their exhorbitant mortgage payments. So, the tax base goes down and more ppl laid off. This whole depression we are playing with was caused by idiots with no foresight, same as on Pandora.

    Look at our own global warming while the oil and gas industry run PR campaigns to get everyone behind more drilling (instead of finding cleaner sources of fuel)

    Idiots running a mining colony into the ground with no more foresight than the next quarterly report for stockholders just didn't seem like such a stretch to me.
     
  17. Razorofoccam

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    Shale

    True/// sigh

    Funny . i thought good christians didnt allow usury.
    Obvious the words 'good' and 'christian' are not applicable.
    ;)
     
  18. SkunkCWCU

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    The whole movie was a trip! I didnt see it on here or did something wrong in the serch function...:coffee:
     
  19. ganesha1967

    ganesha1967 barefoot bellybearer

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    Oh my... once again, I have been proven right in my notion about watching movies in their original version rather than the dubbed one... Sadly, Germany is among those countries where movies are dubbed rather than subtitled and that poses a few threats to a movie's integrity - first of all, translation errors or altering the meaning of certain phrases, secondly a mismatch of voice action between the original and the dubbed version, concerning tone of voice and modulation and finally the utter non-translatable words and idioms in English that had to be filled with somewhat "close" German counterparts.

    So, as a result, I went to see Avatar for the fifth time yesterday, but for the first time in its original English version. It was the 2D version, shown in a rather small-ish of the ten cinemas in the multiplex near my place, and since watching OVs is a special-interest thing, there were less than ten people in that cinema... I had a full row of seats to myself. As far as authenticity is concerned, this can be called my first real viewing of Avatar as it was written instead of interpreted.

    Since I had read the screenplay, I had kind of twitched and bristled at some of the phrases used in the German-dubbed version, but watching and hearing the original amplified that even more. To get to the three points I mentioned above, here's an example of a heavily altered phrase in one of the key scenes, Jake's first successful hunt where he shoots his first hexapede:

    Neytiri, after observing his shot and his putting the prey out of suffering, reciting the death prayer (one of the moments bringing tears to my eyes every time...), she calmly exclaims: "a clean kill...". In the German version, she says "Gute Jagd..." - which translates back to "a good hunt...". On the level of interpretation, a good hunt is when the kill is clean and the prey doesn't suffer too much. However, the impact of the phrase "a clean kill" is by far greater, even foreshadowing (for those of you who have read the script) Jake's other "clean kill" towards the end, when he is asked to put not his prey but someone out of his suffering. That kind of foreshadowing was lost entirely in the German version.

    Voice acting, intonation and modulation were also profoundly different, and I was delighted to hear the "real" Neytiri, Tsu'tey and Mo'at. Eytukan wasn't different, since his parts weren't dubbed in German - no reason to do so, since he speaks only Na'vi. Neytiri's voice by Zoe herself was better modulated and - where it befitted the role - somewhat huskier than her German counterpart's. Tsu'tey was not just an angry young man, as he was in the German-dubbed version, but conveying even more in the original version, especially in the scene, where Jake and Neytiri return from their mating... in the German version, Tsu'tey was merely angry when asking "you mated with this woman?" whereas the original version has that mix of anger, utter sadness, disbelief and desperation, with his voice breaking up. The emotional bandwidth of the original actors' voice acting simply got lost on the way of dubbing. One voice actress did a good job in the German version, but only due to the fact, that she has been the "German voice" of Sigourney Weaver for decades, also voicing the "German" Ripley in the first Alien movie. Oh, and the German dub voice actors should've trained the Na'vi language a bit more... Fluency in Na'vi pronunciation was something I could truly hear and perceive in the English original version for the first time. It sounded just natural and not like someone sitting in a language class trying to get close to the original.

    It also was nice to hear the expressions that couldn't be translated into German for lack of a fitting expression - "Ranger Rick" for instance, or the trademark marine "ooh-rah" which was replaced in the German version by "yippie-kay-yeah" (no kidding - they went all McClane with that one, only leaving out the "m******f**er").

    So, watching Avatar this fifth time has left me with a whole stew of emotions mixed up. First of all, I was glad to see it on the big screen again, making it my fifth journey to Pandora (sadly it didn't work again... I came back [​IMG] ), I'm very happy to have seen and heard it as it was written in English, but I also realized that effectively this was my first "real" visit to Cameron's world and its inhabitants and that I am now among those longing for the DVD to come out and to watch it then in the English original only. It's sad, very sad only, that they show original versions only once a week for one night here... It could've been worse, though... I could've missed it.

    Wiggling bare toes (which were also bare while I was at the movies),

    ~*Ganesha*~

    (Note: This post was also start of a thread of mine on an Avatar-based forum I joined recently - You can see posts of mine under the name Txim Asawl - that's Na'vi for "big butt" :D )
    Thread URL on avatar-forums.com: http://www.avatar-forums.com/genera...nglish-version-vs-dubbed-versions-avatar.html
     
  20. Shale

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    Wow, Txim Asawl

    Thanx for all the info on movies - and especially a specialized look at Avatar interpretations in other languages.

    BTW, you seem quite knowledgeable about movies down to the nitty-gritty. You work in the field or just an obsessive fan?

    I too think movies should be respected in their native form. Subtitles should always be the way to go (except for all those Godzilla type Japanese kid movies where no one is expected to read the fine dialogue :p).

    <rant> I HATE TED TURNER for "colorizing" all those old B&W movies. :mad: Claimed it would make it more accessible to modern audiences. BULLSHIT. If they can't enjoy the beautiful fotografy in B&W, they don't deserve to see it. But of course it was about Ted SELLING movies to the undeserving. Maybe they should color Ansel Adams fotos while they're at it. </rant>
     

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