beating in Orleans

I do believe they would have.. if the victim had gone to them.. If not then ,possibly not.

I am not trying to sympathise with the cops.. i think what they did was wrong. I was just challenging the view of "dictatorship" and "totalitarian police-state''..wich is a bit OTT imho.

Could not agree more..it is a individual problem, perpetuated my a minority imho...thats what i was trying to say.
If it was institutionalised then thats another matter..and "dictatorship" and "totalitarian police-state'' might hold a bit of validity..

 

I didn't know that you had enough experience in the states to have an honest opinion on how police departments operate here.

Have you not read about the "mafia cops" that worked as hitmen for the mob on the side and framed innocent minorities for their murders? Or the asset forfeiture laws that police departments are coming under fire for abusing recently? Our cops here get training in how to manipulate people out of their civil rights. They operate on the assumption of guilty until proven innocent, and treat everyone like criminals.

I have spent a good part of my life trying to appreciate police officers, considering my father was one and I love and respect him vey much, but EVERY time I have had to deal with the cops it has been a terrible experience, and I am no criminal and never have been. Wouldn't know it, though, with how they treat me. I can't even watch the show "Cops" without getting pissed off at how they treat some of these people.

For example, on cops I saw an episode where they sit outside known drug-dealers houses and bust the people buying dope from them. Now, why the hell aren't they doing their job and busting the drug DEALER, rather than letting him operate and busting the users? Because the dealer goes to jail and costs the county money, but the users get put on probation and end up paying monthly fines to the county - they make more money that way. Just one example of how cops are not protecting community interests, but protecting their jobs and paychecks.

I grew up in the ghetto (Flint, MI - for those Michael Moore fans). I was robbed at gunpoint outside the mall when I was 19 and had my money stolen from me. I went right to the cops for help. What did the cops do? they acted all sympathetic to me when I was there, acting like they would get right on the case. Only they didn't investigate it at all, just marked it in the books as a drug deal gone bad so that so they would't have to work on my case. I was devastated, I wanted to see the guy who could have killed me arrested and in jail. I called the detective to complain and get something done, and he just threatened to investigate me! I now know I can no longer trust the cops to defend me and keep me safe.

 

Maybe i do have rose tinted glasses on..

and i had heard about ''mafia cops''

http://www.1170kfaq.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=6&num=2203&printer=1

These are still indiviuals..and some have been prosecuted.. not that corruption does not go probably higher than that..but it is still indiviuals abusing the power they have .. not the system giving powers to abuse or be corrupt imho.

''They operate on the assumption of innocent until proven guilty, and treat everyone like criminals. ''

Heavens 'innocent untill proven guilty'..what are the police thinking.
Did you mean to say it like that ?.

 

When police departments first started in London, several perceptive people wrote that the police would become entwined with the criminals that they sought to combat. Law enforcement has become an entrenched bureaucracy, as such, it will continue to expand and perpetuate itself. When you arm an individual and give him a distinctive uniform you create in him an attitude of "them and us". This leads to a situation where the average cop feels that anyone who is outside the norms deserves whatever they get. Most of the police that I have talked to honestly do not feel that they do anything wrong. They see themselves as standing between "good citizens" and "those other people". The problem is, as usual, with the system not with the people.

 

lol, no. Gulitly until proven innocent is what I ment. haha, i'll edit that

 

Absolutely, it is completely a problem with the system. That's why I disagree with matthew when he says it is an individual problem. It is far too wide-spread to be an individual problem.

 

Your just cynical and a bit jealous .. because the Met has more weed than you >

Relevant article that supports this questionable 'joke'..

 

I am just weighing up the positive stuff the police do..with the negative. It might be a different scenario in the US.. I don't doubt the system is so screwed up in certain places that it is open to abuse..

 

Armed your self + protect your self = eliminate cops.

 

Cops are well-protected legally in the U.S. They rarely get convicted. They know this and to some extent that is why they don't think twice about some of the things they do.

Take a look at Guiliani. He never said anything off-color about his police force, even when they did wrong. The NYPD could kill a hundred babies and Guiliani would be defending them.

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we dont give a dam what goes on in new york.

 

Have you posted on these forums under another user name.. ??

Cyber**** or something like along those lines ?.

Anywho.. i don't believe it would be wise allowing you near a gun..

 

oh really i mean after owning more than 300 at least i have not yet shot a idiot like you yet. in the last 27 years .

 

Why are you proposing to shoot coppers then ?... thats all i was respoding too. i am sure you have much respect for guns and the use of them.. I was just puzzled why you would be a 'cop killer'...

 

IF that was my father or grandfather and i happen to have my favor "of many" guns with me you can bet all 4 including the 1 on the horse . DEAD

 

With justice like that.. i go back to thinking the way i did in the first place.

 

You go ahead and beat up on a cop the same way they did to that poor black man and see how many slugs they pull out of you . you live in some sort of a dream land you need to fucking wake up those are cock sucker type cops and i rather see them dead.

 

I would rather get them thrown off the force.. A disgrace to their family and having to think about the action the commited for some time [some time in jail might be nice also]. I doubt [but don't know] if it was racial...[though i think thats why it is on the news].
I think they seemed the type to go for anybody..
If it had been a member of my family, i still would not become a vigilante and reduce myself to somewhat there level.
It would be interesting to see what these officers feel now..?.
Both you and the officers attitude [and i mean no offence] seem to share a penchant for 'violence' they probably think violence is no big deal..Like killing four human beings.
They probably thought it was a good idea, just like you think popping a few caps in coppers asses is a good idea.

 

blah blah what if your grandfather was allready dead or die a fewminutes or hours later in a hospital. you would still say "real queer like = i would rather them have them thrown out of the force . not on your fucking life at least 5 years of prison as minimum . we get fuck when we comit far less crime or criminal charge.

 

Mutual feelings. they dont think twice about poping caps on any one alse as they done many times before. or beat you to death with high quality aluminum flashlights .

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