Because science knows EVERYTHING..

^^ Well put. The more science progresses, the closer it gets to proving God does exist.
There was a time when man thought the sun revolved around the earth; science proved this was false. We learned plenty of things through science we didn't know otherwise, doesn't mean they didn't exist when we weren't aware of them. Such as particles, atoms? Etc.

 

You are talking about the vagueness of perception. I am talking about firmness of existence. That which is not real does not exist.

 

P.S. Hasn't science shown us that what we perceived as nothing is actually filled up with particles too small to be detected by the human eye, not to mention rays undetectable without special equipment?

 

Our brains actually filter much of the information available. So if our brain is an instrument, what makes us think that manmade instruments will pick up what is there?

 

They pick up what we look for.

 

If what we perceive as nothing is actually SOMETHING, we are not perceiving something in a state of nonexistence. We are perceiving SOMETHING but are unaware that we are doing so. Something existing can not be nonexistent.


Sigh. Maybe I can communicate it in a better way. In an alternate reality where a concept does not exist in the real world and does not exist in any minds, that concept is nonexistent. It is not a concept in minds and it is not a physical thing. It is nonexistent and not a thing. In this world I must speak of it as a thing because it is impossible to speak of something as nothing, but in a different world such a thing is nonexistent, as I am not existing in such a world and it is not existing in said world. That is nonexistence. By definition, not a thing and IMPOSSIBLE to be in a state.

sigh

 

Perception is exitences.
That's what i am saying if u are unaware of atoms they dont exist.
And by that what i said before there is no way to find god if u already excepted that there is no god.

 

I mean even quantum physics says that if u believe u can walk on water u will!

 

We create a particulate light show from the "verbim" radiation. The essence of the particle already exists as quantum potential, we do not create things through perception, we pick things out of the potential soup. Perception by its' nature is ignorant, as form is defined by negative space.

 

Well i never said that the out side universe does not exist its just that its irrelevant.

Anyways i am starting a sequence of wallking in to wall when i develop my belief that i can walk straight through il post the results here.

 

I don't belief that anything is real solid if u will, there for realty can by manipulated with the right frame of mind anything is possible.

 

You must not only unravel the belief that the wall is solid, but also the belief in your own substance. You as you conceive of yourself, cannot walk through walls.

 

amen man

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fuck it hurts

 

Keep on truckin dood!

 

So, who's to say that the quantum potential of everything isnt already there?


That's what I'm getting at.

 

If perception is reality then in the case you have preesented when I am perceiving nothing but there is actually something occupying the space I am perceiving, then there is nothing. But you have just said that there is something. You have contradicted yourself.

Oh the joys of real philosophy.

 

Haha dude i contradict my self allot look at my name.
Are u sure reality does not contradict it self i mean its a weird thing i my self never sure what it is every time i look at it i see something new.

Btw physical reality is irrelevant how many times only that, that u can perceive matters.

 

If reality contradicts itself, any sort of contradiction would be beyond our understanding and beyond our knowledge. If an omnipotent being revealed itself to us how could it demonstrate being both A and not A, creating a rock so heavy it could not lift it, etc. Right now the notion of contradictory reality is absurd and untenable. What we are unable to conceive of is that which we have no real business believing. Sure contradictions COULD be possible, but to the best of our knowledge that is not possible. We are not to pronounce anything as absolute, but to live coherently and be effective in our actions, some preliminary assumptions are required. We know that we exist, we know that we can think and we think that we can not conceive of A as not A. From this we can infer that existence is existing as it is and that it doesnt contradict itself. There is ostensibly an absolute world and whether or not our thinking minds filter parts of it, we live on the very justified and fundamental premise that our senses are to be considered valid , albeit limited, unless we have reason to believe otherwise.

As far as something nonexistent existing, that isa contradiction. I dont have to prove it to be absolutely impossible. Ostensible reality indicates that is it and it is the job of those denying ostensible reality to prove it to be the case otherwise.

 

This is how I see it reality is like abstract painting it does not change from person to person only our perception of it do if there is no one around to perceive the painting it have haves no value atoll. And yes nature does not contradict it self but our evaluations of it do as every person lives in there own personal universe the models of reality's can contradict each other.

 

As the way of the Bodhisattva says..


The Universe arises out of imbalance.