Bernie Sanders

He's still wrong. And he channeled his frustrations about consumers having choices in a capitalist economy

 

how is he wrong? You said yourself these products are designed, innovated, formulated in America. These are high skilled, well paid jobs. These products are not made in America, thus once someone designs them and makes a healthy paycheck for the work, middle and lower class America do not reap any profit from them.

 

^^^^^1%er....

 

Slowing the economy for wealth redistribution. How is killing higher skilled jobs and limiting product variety gonna help the lower class? The Soviet policies created the dreadful bread lines; Bernie will create deodorant and sneaker lines. I agree more could be done to encourage companies to keep from outsourcing though, like tax incentives for example.

That's laughable. How ya figure?

 

Just sounds like what a 1%er capitalist would say about a socialist.

It was the capitalists that created the bread lines in the 1929 crash that gave us the Great Depression.

 

Of course, the President doesn't have the power to fundamentally change the economy on his own.

Look at the complete picture of the current Sanders platform. Not much extremism there.

 

Pretty much, most all of past presidents have fundamentally changed the economy with their policies. . John Calvin Coolidge's policies gave us the Great Depression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge
Raygun's policies tripled the national debt. Shrub daddy's policies doubled it again in only four years. Clinton gave us the best economy we ever had and a balanced budget. Shrub Jr. destroyed the economy. Obama pulled the economy out of the ditch.
It's a fundamental flaw in republican ideology, to give the wealth to the rich.
The liberal ideology is to spread the wealth. "Everybody does better when everybody does better."

 

At least he gave us a reason to remember him! Warren Harding did his share of fucking up too, during that same time period. Economically clueless.

I love Teddy Roosevelt for giving us the national park system and the teddy bear.

 

99% of the country is socialist? Hmmmmm

 

Pretty ridiculous....just because people aren't a 1%er doesn't make them socialist....But a 1%er would demonize a socialist because they are threatened by the ideology of sharing the wealth. Capitalism induces greed....it's the only way to be a 1%er.

 

For the record, I don't think Bernie was suggesting we limit the deodorant or sneakers that we produce.
I think he was just making a point that, in a country where we have an insane amount of choices of the most banal things, one would think the bottom end of the populace wouldn't be as terrible as it is.

How can a country with so much riches consider itself successful or proud, when there are so many going without basic needs to live?

I think that's the point.

 

Right. It's a matter of priorities. America's priorities are mostly screwed up.

 

not to mention the only reason we as a whole, as a consumerist society, feel like we need half the shit we buy is because of aggressive advertising campaigns. So it seems kind of beside the point to argue that someone like Bernie is trying to limit choice when the only reason the consumer believes they need such a wide variety of choices is because they've been manipulated into it.

 

Idk about the rest of you, but I like having a different kind of shoe for every activity I do. I know I could get by on one pair of cross trainer shoes that can be suited for everything, but I don't get the same comfort and performance that I would if I just wore a pair of shoes designed for that activity.

Y'all are telling me an ice cream store doesn't have to have 31 flavors because that's too many. Just have chocolate and vanilla because that's good enough. Why is product and service variety so evil?

 

Would you honestly rather have a seventeenth pair of shoes than see an impoverished toddler get the basics of survival? Do you really want to go there?

 

its kind of a non issue for me and not really worth my time discussing unless we're having a realistic conversation on how to bring jobs back to America. . I try not to buy into the whole consumer driven material society we're living in. I like clothes, I'll admit that and its probably the only thing I'm materialistic about, but I could care less about having the choice of 17 different shoes that were all made in sweatshops in Bangladesh. I dont support that economic system with my philosophy or my wallet.

you could get rid of all these stupid yogurt places featuring 30 different flavors and I wouldn't bat aj eye, you could only offer one tennis shoe and I wouldn't notice and would still buy that one option used at a thrift store anyways. I would find it hard to care if the economy did shrink and it changed how many options are available at Wal Mart. Stuff like that just isn't in really in my paradigm.

 

No it's not. It keeps product designers like me employed and off the streets.

 

Oh, well then. Priorities,of course.