Best psychedelic to "turn someone on"?

^^^sweet! makes me more relaxed about trying it, ahahha, i'm just kidding. i think the entities will know that i have approached them with reverence and respect when the day comes.

i don't see the point in starting with 2cx really. i'd rather "jump in" with a hit or two of LSD, maybe even 2 or 3 grams of shrooms (although i'm sure 2cb would make a nice starter - i can't comment on 2cc or 2cd, or any of the chems you mentioned cosmo) than higher respective doses of "weaker" psychedelics.

i don't see why you shouldn't just start with the best. maybe i'm just "arguing" for the sake of it (i apologize, sincerely, if i've been acting like that lately - i've been kinda grumpy lately for some reason), and maybe i'm about to make a poor similie

but it seems to me like trying alcohol for the first time. i'm not saying tripping is like drinking...it's a similie
for your first beer ever, should you start with a keystone light or something similar, or would it be good to go straight to something with some taste?

for your first glass of wine, does it have to be a cheap $5 bottle, or could it be a glass of fine, tasty wine.

and for your first taste of liquor. should it be a cheap bottle of vodka, or something a little more refined and drinkable?

@cosmo, i'd rather just fuckin' puke than shove all those pills down my throat. is that the worst that would have happened if your buddy didn't munch down all those prescription pills?

 

I would expect this from one of the "I can have these but they can't" drug prohibitionists.

 

i feel like it is better when you're starting with a thing to go into the cheap and rough shit straight away.. and let it settle out and find a place over time...

 

well like i said, it wasn't a good simile, because with alcohol, it's almost guaranteed that you go through the stage of buying cheap shit to get wasted with your buddies before you are at the stage where you just want to enjoy a tasty beverage or three.

while cosmo would advocate taking a large dose of a forgiving chem like one of the weaker 2cxs (of which 2cb is B-E-A-utiful) or a 4-subbed-trypt (which may not actually be that forgiving)....

i would advocate taking a lower or more "normal" dose of LSD. it worked great for the two people i love most in this world - my brother and my fiance. but actually, my fiance gets depressed after tripping, and while she tripped a few times back in the day, she doesn't like it anymore. maybe with a different chem she would have thought differently, but i don't think so. i think her brain is not one suiting for tripping...but she still had some great times on one hit of LSD and got a definite taste of psychedelia. trust me...i was there
as for my brother, i "only" gave him the larger half of a shiva blotter, and i munched the remaining ~1.35 hits. we tripped our faces AND asses off that day. one of my fondest memories, and he is for sure looking to explore the experience again this summer, whether it be on LSD (1st choice) or 2cb or mescaline. once or twice max is enough for him though for now

 

I just know each of those chems is forgiving, not psychologically challenging, visually stimulating, sensorial, and quite pleasurable. At a dose of 50mg with any given chem, it won't be a rough or long ride, just intense and truly psychedelic. This guy would be safe, and given the right set/setting, enjoy the hell out of himself.
I would also say go with LSD (it is listed) but the OP asked for RC's, and those are the RC's I'd choose. Half a dose of pretty much any of those would be lackluster (that is 25mg or less). I've been around the block a few times, you know Believe me, I think 2C-D or 4-HO-DiPT would be the best choices, about 50mg for either. It wouldn't at all be a jarring or scary experience.

 

bummer that i only have 25 mg miprocin

 

In your case, I'm sure you'll find the value and entertainment sought at a lower dose like that. Miprocin is more potent than iprocin, you'll get a decent trip out of that much, just more like four hours and more body/mind high than hallucinatory, and you've said that's not always your main focus anyway. I would say mix it with an equal quantity 4-AcO-DMT, but I doubt you'd do that; though that's a very intriguing trip if you gave it some consideration. Otherwise, do your miprocin and do bongloads all night, that should do ya. You would get off, just not so elaborately as with 45-60mg.

 

you're right, i wouldn't do a combo with anything the first time i was trying it (other than with weed)
also, i don't posses any 4-aco-dmt
suppose if i was really underwhelmed on 25 mg miprocin (like i was on an equal amount of 4acodmt) i could bust out the DMT...but only if i'd have tried it solo by that time

 

I..
Love..
DMT!!!

I'm quite surprised to hear that some of you veterans have not tried this one. IMO DMT pisses on all other experiences with a golden stream. When people ask me what my DMT trip was like I describe it as being shot out of a rocket into a space-age fireworks show.... Then eventually I crawled into a bed in a pitch black room and saw the entities doing farm work in front of a candle lit barn. I could tell they had something to tell me but no communication was had.

DMT is so deep.... sooo sooooo deep. My fav.

I'm still debating on whether or not my girlfriend could handle it.... I guess we shall see lol

 

Pork: 25mg miprocin is a good dose! You're not gonna have ego death but you're gonna be really high dude! It's like 1-2g of "ok" mush, enough to get you nice for a few hours. And then you can decide if it's worth investigating more

and you simile fails because the difference between picking between different beers and picking between different psychedelics is that any beer you pick is still ethyl alcohol, just inside various tasty frothy brews, whereas with psychedelics its a whole gestalt change of everything. psychedelics are so much more complex . . . while I have a flexible ranking system of my favorites, I gotta tell you, gun to my head, if I had to pick only one psychedelic to ever do again, it would be a really tough call. The beauty is in the variety. It's not an "or" situation, its an "and" situation. You can certainly give someone 5 hits of super clean super strong LSD their first time ever tripping; im sure it would be incredible to a healthy mind. That is the "jump in the deep end" approach of swimming for the first time. But a lot of people enjoy playing around in the shallow waters first to get acquainted with a sequentially more challenging series of physical and mental requirements.

I could have given my gf a tenstrip of lucy her first time on anything, and she would have been A-ok. But I decided that psychedelic foreplay might make the final trips that much more incredible

 

o rly?! that is completely new to me:sunny:

but nah, i agree with what you're saying man.

you can get acquainted to LSD, with low doses of it, rather than higher doses of completely different chemicals...which i seem to recall as having some validity to the original topic...but i'm REAL high on 2cb right now...

 

You're a trip sometimes Orison :sunny:

 

I agree with most your list although I haven't tried many 4-subs and I agree with what you say about dosing high, that being said I wouldn't reccommend ketamine. The two people I've introduced to that drug wanted to k hole right off the bat and both had unpleasant experiences and were turned off from it. I imagine the same would go for mxe, really any drug where the standard routes of administration are snorting/injecting I don't think are good choices to turn someone onto psychedelics with.

 

i have to disagree with HIGH dose mushrooms too. a half eighth was my first trip (i had previously failed at smoking salvia however) and it was AWESOME, but a full eighth may have well been overwhelming. i have my buddy a whole eighth for his first time and it remains one of my "worst" trips. it depends on the person for sure.
even last night on 30 mg 2cb, with my fiance on 20 mg, things got a big rough at times. physically for her, and mentally. like she was tripping quite hard - said she felt like she was on ACID, which she expected this to be more mellow and gentle (on my description)
it got sort of emotionally rough for me.

 

I did an eighth my first time with shrooms and first trip, definitely was overwhelming, dont regret it at all though.

Man that sucks about the 2cb being rough porkstock. I personally dont find 2cb very empathogenic in my limited experience with it in group settings, certainly nowhere near the level of ecstasy, but I do enjoy 2cb. I think I told you porkstock, my lady friend I did 2cb with got pretty pissy on it. I did it with a guy friend once as well and we chilled but didn't really talk much to each other, just kind of zoned and listened to music.

 

don't get me wrong - it was a wonderful, magical evening. but i seem to be very sensitive to things my girl may say when i'm tripping on anything i guess. i kind of take offense too easily or something. we had some very interesting conversations last night while we were coming down.

my trip from 30 mg was pretty much every bit as intense as 44 mg. i think i'm gonna stick to lower doses (25-35 mg) with 2cb from now on, as this time i only got the very slightest of headaches, hardly noticeable, as compared to killer ones from 36 and 44 mg. and like i said, the trips were equal in intensity - i had no desire to even smoke weed while tripping, and no thoughts of "i should have taken more / i wish i was tripping harder"
it'd be cool if it lasted a bit longer though. i only really trip for 3-4 hours and am pretty much baseline after 5 or 6

so i wouldn't say is sucks about 2cb being rough for me - that's just the emotional nature of psychedelics i suppose, coupled with whatever is going on in my psyche.

but it did suck that she got so nauseous from it, and kind of puked a few times (it was more like spit and foam, and gagging), and got stomach cramps on the comedown. i don't think it was me putting these ideas in her head or anything either, because i barely warned her of these negative effects, as i personally don't get nausea or gas / cramps from 2cb like i do with 2ce. i told her it was gentle, fluffy, soft, etc. and she thought it was just like acid, which is too intense for her tastes.

 

2c-c, 2c-b and 4-aco-dmt

 

shermin, how do you compare 2cc to 2cb? what's your favorite dose of each?

 

I like to consider 2C-C the phenethylamine version of a benzo.