Bi men and aging

You also have to wonder about homophobic men who secretly LUSTING over men, but are not man enough to admit to their inner desires, so, by "pointing the finger" at others, it "keeps the finger" from pointing at himself......after all, "straight" guys NEVER have m/m fantasies, right?

 

I would argue that guy if a guy is lusting after men, his homophobia is in doubt and question. I've watched these guys get blowjobs from guys; I've watched them fuck guys in the ass and even when they're the ones sucking and getting dick jammed into their ass, they not only categorically deny that any of that happened, but they also mind fuck themselves into believing that what they did wasn't gay and they're still a homophobe. Straight guys never having such fantasies is some bullshit they tell us to perpetuate the heteronormative agenda.

Do I wonder about them? Fuck no...

 

KD23:

Again, I could not agree more.

I've been retired now for 20 years; it's only the past several years that I began thinking of certain (mostly married) guys I worked with showed "bi curious" signs on more than one occasion over the years, but it simply (at the time) didn't "click" with me, at least not then.

Of course, even though I am, as you know, totally celibate, even I know a LOT more now than I did back then, regarding married "str8" males who might have, indeed, had latent bi tendencies that many would not have suspected..................

 

Shit, I had sex with a lot of them. Amazing cocksuckers and some with rectums that felt better than a lot of pussies I've fucked and some of them could sling the meat on me, too. Did I know it before they revealed their "lusty desire" for me? Nope. Was I going to think differently of them because they cheating on their wife? Nope. Was I even surprised by their secret? Oh, hell no.

You would have enjoyed a few of them who liked to have that ass spanked...

 

KD23:

Fuck, yes!

If I had a married guy's round, meaty ass over my knees, REST ASSURED he'd experience a "SORE-gasm" like he NEVER before experienced!

Man, any one of those guys, after a "spanking good time" with yours truly would not only not be able to sit down for a week (at least!) but also, gone home with well-drained balls and a well-pounded, sperm-oozing chute!

Well, that's just me.............

 

Once again, yet again, if m/m sex was supposed to be as TABOO and immoral as naysayers and bigots continue to say, then WHY does it FEEL so dang good?

Hey, it's like I always say; as long as it's involving legal-age participanys, and it's consensual, well, come on, guys......what more do you need to know?

 

And it's like I've been saying for decades: It feels good because it's supposed to feel good because sex is supposed to feel good. It feels so good and naughty; that first time with a guy can be an eye-opening, life-changing event that many cannot walk away from and there's a reason why so many men say that cocksucking is addictive and not just a play on words. Others learn more about themselves submitting to anal sex and being a bottom and who wouldn't - or doesn't - like how thrilling it can be and feel to have your "inner girl" wake up and wants to make up for lost time and unable to get enough dick and cum? Some tops find that fucking a guy in the ass is weirdly different and it can take an effort for them to do it but once they get past where their dick is going, guys who have wanted anal sex with women - and they refused - get a renewed "lease on life" because there are so many bottoms out there who'd do whatever it would take to get a dick in their backside.

It's only taboo because cocksucking and anal sex don't make babies. It can make you wonder why it's still a taboo since we have mastered being able to make babies without a man and a woman actually having sex. What more do guys need to know? That it's a lot more normal than they've been led to believe; that, at minimum, it's really just sex and at the hands of someone who just might be more willing to get down with you than the women we lust over; that you're only limited to your imagination and that you not only have to find your way in this, you have to know your limits and understand that the perversions you may have heard and warned about are real and can lead to a hole one cannot climb out of.

They need to know that this is not a game, but it is something they can have a lot of fun with, and they should be mindful of the ability sex has to unlock our emotions - and then, do not fear them. That it doesn't make you less of a man to have sex with a man and considering that it takes, as I like to say, some very manly guts to have sex with another guy whether it's the first time or the five hundredth time. That if you approach this and bringing a lot of fear with you, your experiences - if you have them - may not be all that pleasing or satisfying and it's better to be smart about what you do and who you do something with than to be fearful and giving the horror stories too much weight.

That a life lived in fear is a life not worth living. You only live once isn't just a trendy catch phrase - and you can take this from someone who "recently" died and revived and hard proof that tomorrow isn't promised to anyone so if, say, being on your knees and sucking a man's cock and waiting to get his cum, is what makes your dick hard and gets you jerking off, what are you waiting for? That the truth is that being married does and has not stopped anyone from doing what they know they need to do, even if for their own sanity - like I said, this isn't a game, fetish, or kink. That at the end of any day, you have to make the best decision for yourself that you can manage... even if you wind up doing nothing.

 

KD23:

WELL SAID!

I only wish that more bi-curious married (or single) bi men would read your comments; I am sure even a lot of "str8" guys would be at least a little more than enlightened.

Once again, an excellen, well-versed response, with many volumes spoken..................

 

What curious straight guys - or horny straight guys - have to know is that there's no shame in letting a guy suck you off and being the one to do some sucking carries no shame, either. What they need to know is that anal sex, when done properly, can be stimulating and satisfying and like I said before, it's sex and sex that can only bring extra "baggage" if you allow it to. What they need to know is that this really isn't "rocket science;" keep it simple and your journey into M2M sex will be smooth sailing and highly satisfying.

What bi guys need to know and understand is that it's not "men or women;" it's "men and women" and moving to be bisexual doesn't mean that you're replacing one sexual outlet - women - for another - men; you're to enjoy both outlets and whenever the opportunity presents itself and, please, please, please: Stop making finding a guy to have sex with a difficult to near impossible thing to do!

 

You should know that a lot of bi guys start out being straight guys; some gay guys do find that getting some pussy ain't that bad but, yeah, they're still gay (think 5 on the Kinsey Scale) and having sex with a guy isn't really as weird as it feels; I've given a lot of guys their first experience and almost to a man they say that it felt right and natural and, well, it should... because it is. Don't let the hype and other bullshit distract you and keep you from seeing bisexuality for what it really is and not what a bunch of other people want it to be, i.e., if you're not in the market for a boyfriend, there is absolutely nothing that says you have to be romantic with a guy in order to have sex with him; romance is optional.

But you don't have to believe me or take my word for it - you gotta find out for yourself and satisfy that intense curiosity and hunger...

 

KD23:

Right on, good friend!

When it comes to the subject at hand, to say you've had a lifetime of "hands-on" experiences would be like saying that the Empire State Building is 102 stories tall!

Think about it............

Why do so many young boys/teens "experiment" with one another?

Obviously, that curiosity HAS to satisfied, in one way or the other........and think of those smart guys, like yourself, who have found that "the best of both worlds" is indeed just that!

Simply "go with flow", fellows......'nuff said!

 

KDaddy23,
it's a real shame that bonobo DNA was not sequenced first before chimpanzee in the early days of DNA sequencing! It took years later before bonobo DNA was sequenced and found to be much closer than chimpanzee,l. Sadly, the common misperception still exists that chimps are our closest relative and most don't know what a bonobo is!
Imagine if all of that initial surprise of similarity was rightfully done on bonobos, with all of their frequent, casual sex, and near universal bisexuality? Having all this sex to manage social connections in their group, and to make and keep the peace?! Rather than focusing on the testosterone fueled alpha make chimp rage?
I took was stunned the first time I touched another hard cock than my own! It felt so alien yet so similar? The first time I frotted a cock with my own, I was amazed at how warm it felt next to mine, soft and yet hard? Same sensation the first time I sucked cock, too.
I look forward to trying all of the other sensations, too, some day.

 

@Suburbanray, a lot of guys are either stunned or have that "I knew it!" moment when being sexual with a guy for the first time. I don't know how many guys have rhetorically asked, "Why didn't I do this before now?"

My protege likes to talk about the bonobos (and like I hadn't read all there was to read about them already) and I remind him that humans are a different animal; our social dynamic is complicated construct that has severely impacted our ability to be openly sexual without stigmas and other bullshit that makes some folks believe that it sets us above all other animals and declaring that recreational sex is bad and, well, you know what you were told and taught and bisexuality takes everything we think we know about sexuality and turns it on its head because we know straight and we know gay... but we don't know bi and we're too hidebound to see that all three are a part of the human condition and as many a man has found - and to their liking.

 

@GG57, I wish it was really as simple as "just go for it" because when you teach someone to swim, you don't - and shouldn't - just toss them into the deep end and tell them to figure it out... or drown.

 

KD23:

Agree with you there, 100% for certain.................

 

IMHO, if a man (supposedly totally str8) finds himself frequently thinking of sex with other men, try as he might to banish these "taboo" thoughts from his mind) year after after, the worse thing that he can do is to KEEP ON DENYING his TRUE identity.......after all, IF this fellow is having same-sex fantasies and desires over a period of many years, I think that "little voice" inside him is saying: "OK, stop fucking around, already, pal! You KNOW what you want! Stop wasting time!"

Just my 2 1/2 cents worth...........

 

I'm not sure that I fully agree with that assessment. Do straight guys think about it? Yes. Do some think about it a lot? Yes, and some enjoy jerking off to those thoughts. Does it mean that the guy is denying his so-called true identity? No, because despite popular opinion, thinking and doing aren't the same things. On top of the ever-present stigma attached to men having sex with each other, one also needs to satisfy what's known as a law enforcement thing: Motive, means, and opportunity (MMO). The way this works (and it's been long since proven to work) is that if any part of this triumvirate is missing, nothing's going to happen. A guy can have motive and opportunity but if he doesn't have the means, well, he's going to be in the bathroom for another jerk-off session with himself. For law enforcement, they can have MMO but now they have to prove it and it's rare that someone who had MMO to commit a crime actually didn't do it. But we're not talking about something like robbing a bank or some other criminal act, are we? Then again, maybe we are...

A guy who has a bad case of dick on the brain but hasn't lost his cherry in this regard can find that wanting to actually find out what it's like and is it true that men suck cock better than women and these two things alone are motive enough... but motive alone doesn't and can't work without means and opportunity. Even if a guy can satisfy MMO, there's the stigma and its associated fears to be dealt with and all you have to do is go through the forum here and see how many guys would be getting dick like it was going out of style - and they can satisfy MMO - but the stigma has kept them being virgins in this. Even if/when that little voice tells him that today would be a good day to get fucked in the ass or to suck dick and swallow cum, if he cannot satisfy MMO, guess what he won't be doing today?

Now, where this can fail - and I'll say "historically" - is when he gets seduced into sex or finds himself in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time and with the right/wrong person or, yeah, shit really does happen and especially when (a) you don't want it to happen and (b) when you least expect it and (c) sometimes from the last direction you'd ever think about. Think about the guy who hangs out with his friends, gets his drink on and... the next thing he knows, he's being sucked by one of the friends and/or he's sucking one of the friends or, sometimes, he "blacks out" and comes to with a 'funny taste" in his mouth or, rarely, his butt is sore. He might know or recall what happened and it'll either freak him out and make him remove those friends from his list or... he just might want to do it again and especially if he confronts the guy(s) he got down with - but MMO doesn't apply in these situations because the "victim" wasn't planning on becoming a cocksucker when he left home for a night of drinking.

Yep, I've seen this happen to guys first-hand and it's a master class lesson on the effects of alcohol on the human brain and how it can remove inhibitions. If you've ever gone to have sex with a guy and y'all need a drink or two to "relax," what's really happening is the alcohol is putting inhibitions on lockdown until later... and whether a guy had motive to get into this or not.

Setting shit happening aside, it pays to understand that thinking and doing are not the same things because one has to be able to satisfy MMO and even if he can, the stigma is enough for him to keep his mouth and legs closed as well as keeping his dick in his pants and if that doesn't keep him virgin, the spin campaign that has guys deathly afraid of STDs, HIV and AIDS is enough to make him remain a virgin in this and no matter what he's thinking and MMO can kiss his ass for all the good it's not doing him.

You see, we pay a lot of attention to what two guys might do if they can, but we don't pay much attention to why a guy doesn't do what guys have been known to do and just because it's sex and one hell of a way to bust a nut. I know married - or formerly married - guys who got their head handed to them because they mentioned to their woman that, hmm, ya know, I've been wondering what it's like to get head from a guy and she's jacked his ass up because as far as she's concerned - and anyone else - he's going to do it because he was thinking about it and she's never going to believe that he had no intentions on going out to find out.

And there are guys who jerk off to the very bad case of dick on the brain because his woman is a deterrent for him to be able to satisfy MMO which, all by itself, proves that thinking and doing aren't the same things...

 

KD23:

I agree; so many factors indeed come into play in this situation.....no "cut-and-dry-foolproof" solution here............

 

Now, to the guy who keeps saying that he wants to have sex with a guy and he's gonna do it once (add all of the reasons he needs to be in place), I'd ask him, "What are you waiting for, an engraved invitation?" Ditto for the guy who talk about what he's gonna do when he gets a hold of a cock. If you know what you wanna do and you know the kind of guy - or you know a guy - you wanna do the deed with (and lose your cherry if you still have it), well, um, what's stopping you? Do you not think it's high time you shit or got off the pot?

Oh, that's right: MMO. Even when I've given a guy that engraved invitation - and outing myself to him in the process - and I can sure as fuck satisfy MMO - well, damn - tell me again why you don't wat your dick sucked after just telling me you want your dick sucked by a guy. Is it me? My breath stink or something?

 

KD23:

This one might be a bit difficult for you (regarding just how many m/m "experiences" you've enjoyed over the years)........

What was your most memorable "I broke the ("str8"/bi-curious) guy in and, man, once the ice was broken, he couldn't get enough!" encounter?

I'm indeed sure that the other fellow had no problems later recalling his "initiation", especially given your "prowess"........