Bible Questions? III

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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Thanks, I try my best.
     
  2. thedope

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    I've done the statistical analysis.
    Of 14 specific references you made, 2 are attributed to Jesus, 3 from the book of Geneses, and 9 are Pauline. As I have noticed during this entire time the proportion is consistently similar. I don't know if that signifies anything or not, but I find it a curious statistic.
     
  3. OlderWaterBrother

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    The Bible let's us know what Satan's intentions are.
    Jesus said many things about judgment, here are a couple for you:
    (Luke 12:57) Why do YOU not judge also for yourselves what is righteous?
    (Luke 22:30) that YOU may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yes, God knows.

    Yes, I do not know you at all.

    I did not call you false, at most I said you believe is false.

    The Holy Spirit is not divided against it self and since what you call the "Holy Spirit" disagrees with the Bible, it would seem it is not the Holy Spirit.
     
  5. OlderWaterBrother

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    I did not call YOU false, I called what you said false. A person can say things that are not true, false and not know it. That would not make them a liar or false, only mislead, unless they were purposefully and knowingly trying to deceive.
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

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    I did not call YOU false, I called what you said false. A person can say things that are not true, false and not know it. That would not make them a liar or false, only mislead, unless they were purposefully and knowingly trying to deceive.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    I did not call YOU false, I called what you said false. A person can say things that are not true, false and not know it. That would not make them a liar or false, only mislead, unless they were purposefully and knowingly trying to deceive.
    At the time you gave a list that did not include it. I was just pointing out that you forgot it.
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

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    Okay but they are on different sides and only one side can be up at a time. :rolleyes:
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    Well, if you are so interested statistics, figure out what percentage of the Bible are Jesus' words and whether I quote a higher or lower percentage in comparison.

    Also please remember that the whole Bible is the word of God not just those that are Jesus' words.
     
  10. thedope

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    I have considered that by volume there are far more words that are not attributed to Jesus than are. Like I said, I don't know what that indicates, I just thought it was an interesting statistic.
    As for teaching on judgment, Luke 12:57, Jesus is talking about the lesson of life. He is talking about exactly what I am talking about. As you go with your accuser to the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you you will not get out until you pay the very last copper.
    Why does he put it this way. Why is it referred to as payment for an accusation?
     
  11. thedope

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    Here we have the defendant settling with the accuser. In this scenario, again it is the accusation that brought the defendant before the judge. Which again is consistent with the scene in which Jesus points out that he is being condemned, not by his testimony nor his actions, but by the accuser.
    As for Luke 22:30. This distinction again is earned through living the teaching of Christ, "you are those who have continued with me in my trials", that you may eat and drink at my table, are in communion. We sit on thrones being able to discern all the conditions of man.
     
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    What are the twelve tribes of Israel? For one they are tribes of related peoples. For another, they are principality and power, not flesh and blood. The twelve tribes are also the cycles of time, the conditions that man contends with.
    Principality can be a kingdom, it can also be a principle of authority. A power can be a judicial authority and it can also be the radiance of the sun. Since the statement says not flesh and blood, I lean toward authoritative principal and natural power as opposed to "spirit people".
    My process is like this. If I experience anxiety, I know that I an under the conviction of my own judgment. The measure I give is the measure I get. I reserve my reaction to the situation and quite consciously reaffirm that I do not know the truth, had I known the truth, I would not be troubled. I then ask the Holy spirit to teach me, to choose for me, to show me the truth. The answer is always, some form of peace. The answer is either a clear quiet statement or a life circumstance that unfolds to demonstrate meaning.
     
  13. TipsyGypsy

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    I was thinking earlier about when Jesus knew He was the Son of God. What was it that made Him know for certain that He was and did He ever dispute it? He knew by the time of the New Testament, but when was it that he realised it?

    It might be a simple question, but I spent years looking at Judaism, so am not too sure.
     
  14. Doobie60

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    The Bible doesn't say Jesus is the son of god. If you know your history, it was the romans who said "Burn all your books, Jesus is the son of god!" Or some shit like that. So they burned all the books which is why they were much less advanced than muslims or hindus and stuff.
     
  15. thedope

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    He made mention it says at age 12 that he could be found in his fathers house.
    He was called a child of the Holy spirit before birth by the author of Matthew.
    When Jesus is baptized by John a voice is heard by him, to say this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased.
    We know that the Spirit of God was upon him and that all he taught was given by God.
    Did he dispute his role, he asked that the cup he had been given be taken away.
     
  16. Doobie60

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    The Bible also says we're all God's children though.
     
  17. Monkey Boy

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    I think Jesus had a calling to fufill the prophesies set up in Daniel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah. So he must had thought of himself more as the chosen messiah to bring everything into fruition and establish an everlasting Jewish Nation. I take this as a spiritual nation. So he completely changed how the Jewish people viewed themselves by taking away everything that they thought was sacred including the temple, family and traditions and then invited gentiles into the family really braking down all barriers.

    I don't think the Bible says when he realized it. Maybe around the time he was baptized.
     
  18. thedope

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    Yes it does. Children can be physical children or they can be spiritual children, or a child can be an idea, a child of your thoughts.
     
  19. Doobie60

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    True. I see Jesus as more of a prophet. But like, the Superman of a prophet Justice League haha.
     
  20. thedope

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    We know also that the development of existential questioning begins at around at twelve to 14 as part of regular childhood development.
     

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