Bible Questions? III

That is exactly what it means, why?

It says that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. Isn't that what you were asking? If the scriptures are capable of completely equipping one for every good work, what more do you need?

So are you saying that when God inspired Paul to write it, God did not know what the Bible would contain?

As I pointed out by quoting Romans 1:20, there are other ways to learn about God than just the Bible but if you learn something about God from another source and it does not agree with the Bible then that other source is wrong.

So?

 

Sorry, I did not read your initial response that closely.

My point with the initial question was not whether Scripture is sufficient in information regarding salvation, but rather is it exclusive and all extra-Biblical material is hooey.
Most Protestants will argue the second.

What if you learn something about God from a extra-biblical source, but it is not mentioned in Scripture?

 

As long as it doesn't conflict with the bible's scriptures, that might be fine.
Right WaterBrother?

 

When did I not answer the question waterbrother?
Jesus is brother to all children of god. If you know the meaning of the words I speak then you know the answer to the question.
Why do you ask waterbrother, don't you know the answer to the question?

Do you have some point to make with this line of questioning? I would expect that it is quite boring for everyone else. Your discourse as you use the bible as a weapon to try and beat me down is not redeeming. It is something that worldsofdarkblue recognizes which is why he begged out of the conversation.
I continue to engage because the contrasts we represent are informative. A sort of microcosm of the issues.

 

IT is written, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. Does not say it makes him so. You may know every verse in the bible by heart but if you do not have love....

 

Love

 

But how can it conflict if it is not present?

Lets use the Assumption of Mary. There is a long Tradition of Mary's Assumption into heaven (there is debate to how this happened though--was she alive, did she die and then was her soul accepted into heaven and then her body shortly afterwards) . There is also no Tradition of Mary having any bodily relics (no bones, only things like a veil). Elijah was assumed bodily into heaven as well. None of these contradict Scripture, but everyone except Apostolic Churches reject this doctrine.

 

OWB

Sage advice? Forget 'good' for the moment, what of the living spirit!? Where is the inspired reply?


Older whatever,

remember.

bye bye bible thread!

 

When have you answered the question?

I know the meaning of the words they just don't answer the question.

I know the answer to the question, I just don't know your answer to it and still don't.

Beat you down? Interesting, that someone who says you shouldn't judge others would judge me in this way. I have merely shown you that your beliefs do not harmonize with the Bible, it is you that characterize it as a "beat down".

And after all this you still have not answered my simple question. Yes or no, is Jesus the Son of God?

 

Another judgment?

 

And the Bible can not help us in that regard?

 

Hooey? No but as I said it is not authoritative and so should be taken with a grain of salt.

Personally I have found the lives and thoughts of people who have lived according to Bible principles to be very informative and uplifting but one should consider what the Bible says; "Remember those who are taking the lead among YOU, who have spoken the word of God to YOU, and as YOU contemplate how [their] conduct turns out imitate [their] faith." (Hebrews 13:7)

 

Exactly.

 

Actually, I believe these do contradict Scripture but perhaps that is a subject for another discussion.

 

Good bye. :seeya:

 

Yes there is actually. There are many references found within both the Old Testament and New Testament of the current bible, and many others found within the Nag Hammadi scripts.

"If you know the truth, the truth will make you free." (John 8:32)

Jesus used Marijuana

As doubtful as the following hypothesis might first seem to the reader, I might as well boldly state my case right from the start: either Jesus used marijuana or he was not the Christ. The very word "Christ", by the implication of its linguistic origins and true meaning, gives us the most profound evidence that Jesus did in fact use the same herb as his ancient semitic ancestors, and which is still used by people around the world for its enlightening and healing properties.

The Greek title "Christ" is the translation of the Hebrew word Messiah, which in English becomes "The Anointed". The Messiah was recognized as such by his being anointed with the holy anointing oil, the use of which was restricted to the instillation of Hebrew priests and kings (See CC#5). If Jesus was not initiated in this fashion then he was not the Christ, and had no official claim to the title. The title "Messiah" is much older than Christianity, as all the ancient kings of Israel are referred to as the "Messiah". "Christos - Anointed One, a title of many Middle-Eastern sacrificial gods: Attis, Adonis, Tammuz, Osiris. . ." 12

The ancient recipe for this anointing oil, recorded in the Old Testament book of Exodus (30: 22-23) included over nine pounds of flowering cannabis tops, Hebrew "kaneh-bosm", extracted into a hind (about 6.5 litres) of olive oil, along with a variety of other herbs and spices. The ancient chosen ones were literally drenched in this potent cannabis holy oil. The "m" is a pronounced plural, and the singular kaneh-bos sounds remarkably similar to the modern cannabis.

Although often mistranslated as "calamus", the word has been translated as "fragrant-cane" in most modern bibles, and specifically designates the fragrant flowering tops of cannabis.

From the time of Moses until that of the later prophet Samuel, the holy anointing oil was used by the shamanic Levite priesthood to receive the "revelations of the Lord". At the dawn of the age of Kings, Samuel extended the use of the anointing oil to the Hebraic monarchs by anointing Saul (and later David) as "Messiah-king". These kings lead their people with the benefit of insights achieved through using the holy anointing oil to become "possessed with the spirit of the Lord."

"Anointing was common among kings of Israel. It was the sign and symbol of royalty. The word 'Messiah' signifies the 'Anointed One', and none of the kings of Israel were styled the Messiah unless anointed."1 The title was clearly only given to those "having the crown of God's unction upon them" (Leviticus 21:12).

After the fall of the Jewish kingdoms, and the bloody purges following the forged discovery of the Book of theLaw (1 Kings 23), the cannabis holy oil was prohibited as associated with pagan worship. Yet it seems that certain sects retained the topical entheogen, and continued to practice the older religion, silently awaiting the return of a Messiah-king in the line of David.

The ministry of Jesus marked the return of the Jewish Messiah-kings, and thus the re-emergence of the holy oil. Jesus was called the Christ because he violated the Old Testament taboo on the cannabis oil and distributed it freely for initiation rites and to heal the sick and wounded.

Although there is some evidence of Jesus' use of this Judaic cannabis oil in the traditional New Testament, we get a clearer picture of its importance when we also look at surviving Gnostic documents. The term Gnostic, meaning "knowledge", refers to a variety of early Christian sects which had extremely different beliefs about both Jesus and his teachings than those which have come down to us through modern Christianity


The Anointed One - Jesus (later added "Christ")

Contrary to the depiction given in the New Testament gospels of Matthew and Luke, Jesus was likely not born as the Messiah. He received this title through his initiation by John the Baptist, and so it is not surprising that both Mark and John are conspicuously absent of the virgin-birth mythology, and begin their stories of Jesus' short career with his initiation by John.

Although their version of Jesus' baptism by John describes it as involving submersion under water, the term "baptism" has connotations of "initiation", and Gnostic scriptures indicate that the original rite was performed in conjunction with the kaneh-bosm anointing rite, "the annointing taking place either before or after the baptismal ceremony."3 Some Gnostic texts also specifically state that Jesus recieved the title Christ "because of the anointing,"4 not because of a water baptism.

Conceivably, the washing off of the oil with water would have been a means to begin the termination of ritual and the oil's effects.

The description of the after-effects of the rite clearly indicates that Jesus underwent an intense psychological experience, more than one would recieve from a simple submersion in water.
K The reference to a dove may have connotations of the Goddess tradition, which was continued by the Gnostics, who paid special attention to Sophia, Goddess of Wisdom. In earlier times the dove was sacred to Astarts, Aphrodite, Ishtar and other forms of the Goddess. "Gnostic Christians said Sophia was incarnate in the dove. . . that descended on Jesus at his baptism to impregnate his mind." 12


Jesus came from Nazareth Galilee and was baptised by John in the Jordan. As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending upon him like a dove. K And a voice came from heaven "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased." At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert, and he was in the desert for forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with wild animals, and angels attended him. (Mark 1: 9-13)

It should be noted that the vision and words described were seen and heard only by Jesus, as it specifically states that "he saw".

The role played by John the Baptist, as priest and prophet, is very similiar to that of the Old Testament prophet Samuel. Just as Samuel's annointing of Saul and David marked them as Messiah-king, so did Jesus' initiation by John make him the Christ.

In the events after Jesus' vision and his overwhelmed recluse into the desert, there are clear parallels with the story of the prophet Samuel's initiation of Saul with the cannabis-rich holy ointment, and Saul's ensuing madness in the form of possession by the Spirit, and wandering off to make nabi (act in a frenzied ecstatic manner) (1 Samuel 10).

The tale of Saul's possession by the spirit is an example of how the ancients interpreted the effects of cannabis and other entheogens. What we perceive as being "high" or "stoned" the ancients called "possessed by the Spirit of the Lord."



There is much more on this subject here...
http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

Here is information on the other texts that were found, some predate the new testament and were originally considered the main and most relevant gospels and books of scripture. The Gospel of Thomas (Jesus's supposed twin) paints a very interesting and different picture of Jesus.
http://www.nag-hammadi.com/history.html

 

Love comes from you not from the bible. It certainly doesn't help you identify the fact that anxiety is not part of love, even though it is written that love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, and there is no fear in love.

 

Actually no.

 

yeah and he used herion too......

 

Sheesh. If the father has children (for expedience sake, call them 'sons' and 'daughters') then He who is a 'brother' must also be a 'son'. Or, if you wish, 'the son'.

What's with all the insistence on the yes or no? Can you say 'inquisition'?