Bible Questions? III

I see that you persist in your judgment of me that I have judged you.

Again you judge me just because I said that something may be.

Yes, the truth does set us free but it does not free us from the anxiety that the truth can sometimes bring.

And what is your answer to the question I asked? Is Jesus the Son of God?

 

Post 620 among others.

 

So, you falsely accused me and you did not correct your mistake.

Yes you did say what you meant to say but you did not answer the question. You tiptoed around it but you did not answer it.

I had three brothers does that mean that their father is my father or that my father is their father?

Instead of answering the question, you continue to try by some round about reasoning to show that Jesus could be, may be, considered in some ways to be the Son of God. Hardly a ringing endorsement of Jesus being the Son of God, now is it.

No, you have not.

 

As I have pointed out, it was not an answer to the question.

 

Huh?

Your home life is your lot. I did not leave to question patronage, I said he is brother to all the children of god.

That is your characterization of what I said.
I make a ringing endorsement to our brotherhood with Christ and in God.

 

"A male child is called a son, that makes Jesus the son of god."
Look again.

 

You inferred that I had accused you of demanding something of me;

..."I never demanded anything of you waterbrother, I asked you questions."...

Something that I never did because I was talking to worldsofdarkblue not you.

Yes but as I pointed out, not all bothers necessarily have the same father.

My characterization? Nope, it's pretty much just a description of what you are doing.

See, once again instead of just saying that you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, if you believe that, you continue to made obscure comments that can be taken at least two different ways that allow for uncertainty as to what you actually believe and instead trying to make your "answer" clearer, you continue to make more obscure comments that leave for more uncertainty.

 

I never said I was unwilling to believe anything, you're attributing words to me that I never said. When I said, "you may have something," all I meant is that you could be right, just as much as I could be right, just as much as we could both be wrong. I used the word may because we can never really know 100% what went on back then. We can believe what we read, but you and I both know that the bible has been edited from other texts and longer texts. Therefore we may never know the full truth. I'm willing to believe in (acknowledge) anything that has logical proof. I have not confessed otherwise. I change my mind many times throughout the day. Are you not unwilling to waver in your belief that Jesus never used cannabis, therefore being guilty of that which you accused me of.

When I was younger I was a christian. Then as I grew older some of the stories and logic behind them started to not make much sense and I started to question them. Some stories seemed full of holes and very illogical. I then became an atheist (although to a poor extent, as I've always believed god to be the creator of all things, that initial life spark). Since discovering what I posted (about the anointing oil and whatnot) I've found a great amount of knowledge and logic in the stories of the bible and I now see them with great clarity. It was like finding a piece of a puzzle that was lost under the couch. I can now derive a lot of spiritual joy from the bible because of this. It may be wrong, but it has opened my eyes and made great sense out of stories that before seemed to be nonsense. I have not yet found a reason as to why this information is wrong, however I am more than willing to listen to and change my mind about most absolutely anything I believe. I firmly believe that I know nothing (aside from the survival instincts of my body).

The Nag Hammadi library was not actually made up 2000 years after Christ. Some predate the books of the New Testament, some are a continuation of the Old Testament. I'm going to assume you've not read the scripts. For a long time after Jesus died the scripts of the Nag Hammadi library were long considered the official book, scrips, words, in the same way that the bible is now considered those things today. It was "The Bible" during that time, the excepted book of god. Then after the Roman Catholic church came into power they made it a law that anyone found with these texts would be killed. They wanted to rule everyone under the story as believed and put together by them (the current form of the bible which was edited and put together from many other stories. It was not a book of itself). So most people were forced to burn their copies of the Bible (the Nag Hammadi books), some were killed for not doing so. The ones that were found in that cave in 1945 are the oldest known specimens to date. That is, the oldest written material ever found. They were not written 2000 years after Jesus was around.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were found between 1947 and 1956, and yet you believe in them.

 

Huh?

Yes. but that is not a concern in regards to my statement as I identify all as having a common father, god.

I don't have the existential angst that you do waterbrother. I don't have a position that needs defending. I don't have the same questions about life that you do. I have the answers provided by the holy spirit. What uncertainty waterbrother? Did you misunderstand what I said?

 

That makes all men the son of god. Jesus is only singled out because he was the first one to introduce the moniker. He and I come from the same place and have the same "father". That makes me the son of god. As well as every other man.

 

Our surname in creation is I am.

 

Exactly. Our worldy title (son or daughter) then completes the title.

"Son of god I am"



Another interesting point, when you say god's name aloud;

"I am"


Oops...wrong thread perhaps?

 

It is what the voice in the burning bush said, say this to the people, I am has sent me to you.

 

Exodus 3:11
And Moses said unto God, Who am I

3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you


interesting passage


Hebrews 13:5-6 "Let your conduct be without covetousness, and be content with such things that you have, for he has said, 'I will never leave you, nor forsake you,' so that we may boldly say, 'The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do to me.'

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.



"I am"

 

Lunaverse, I am just compelled to say, what Beautiful and apt verses!

 

I know. They really tie the point together.

"the kingdom of God is within you"

"I am"

 

someones said this b4 but people love to think jesus was a hippie that wanted peace, love and pot but thats not what he came for nor what he stood for......also bible clearly speaks against anything that destroys your body. And yes marijuana destroys brain cells maybe the damage is not at a high dangerous level as XTC or alchol but it still does physical damage.

 

I don't know exactly what or who Jesus was, no one can know for sure, but I do know for a fact (based upon text) that Jesus was the physical manifestation of love. God is Jesus, God is love = Jesus is/was love.

You're right, he didn't stand for drugs, he stood for love. He supposedly died for love. That's how important he felt the power of love is.

I can't agree with you that cannabis kills brain cells. THC coats the brains, impairs it's function (memory) to some degree, but it does not destroy its cells. Jesus used wine, drank wine, etc. Wine destroys brain cells. Brain cells dye on a daily basis, it's a natural part of being human.

I think many people like to attribute to god/Jesus the traits they would like to have him stand for. Perhaps this is what I am doing. But through whatever medium I experience and share love, I personally believe that is they way it's supposed to be. Above everything else, there is supposed to be love. That is at the heart of all religion, and the point of Jesus's plight.

I'll repost this...

Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food."

BIBLE, Genesis 1:29-30


Given this verse I'd have to say that regardless of Jesus Christ's use of cannabis, it isn't wrong either way.

 

The body is a communication device.

 

It's also a bridge