Bible Questions?

That works for some things. But like the earthquake or cancer examples, it would be very hard to find any justification for why they happen. It might be nature, but that mean you are stuck in with and cannot learn from it or change it.

I see.

 

I think most of the deaths from cancer and earthquakes will be prevented in the future. Better construction, cancer vaccines, early stage detection etc.

As far as justification. Did you notice after the tsunamis a few years ago how many people came together to help all the victims? Muslims, Christians and Hindus were all working together out of compassion looking past their differences. It was a vision of the kingdom of heaven.

 

I think in situations like that, people come together out of compassion. I don't think religion comes into it. I hardly think an Atheist would stand back and not do anything if they had the opportunity.

 

Why did the Bible cross the road?

 

The Christian God is the concrete god of the Here and Now. He gives in the ideal Consciousness options for the Way we can Believe in Him, desiring He was, He is gone, He will come to be again. But this is all in the ideal Consciousness... of Language consorted about around: even before we have anything to explain.

It should be the same God as the other monotheistic religions Have; however, the personal religion is at this immediacy defective.

 

To fulfill prophecy

 

Yet you continue to argue that if there is a God it's his fault.

Yes we have different opinions but you didn't answer the questions I raised, why is that?
We basically said to God we can do a better job of running things than you can.

So what was God to do?
Was he to say no you can’t and I’m not even going to let you try?

Perhaps you can show me in the Bible were it says God created cigarettes or cancer?

perhaps you have some insight into cancer I don't have but it seems that I recall that cancer is not separate disease caused by germs or a virus but is caused by imperfect gene structure and imperfection was caused by us not God.

You keep saying you know what God should do but do you? What do you do? You say you can't stop it all but what about the questions I asked? What do you do in the case of one individual? How far are you wiling to go? Would you restrain them, maybe handcuffs or a straight jacket, may be prison or a mental institution? You keep saying God should intervene, what should he do? How should he restrain them?

Honestly sometimes it gets a bit tiresome to hear people keep criticizing God for not doing something about mankind's problems better and faster but they have no clue what that something might be.

Yes, God could solve all of mankind's problems instantly, just kill off all of mankind. Then no more war, no pain or suffering, no hunger, no more endangered species but then that's not the solution that people could live with now is it?

 

The word omniscient is never used in the Bible.

God told Adam and Eve what would happen if they ate of the tree, so yes he knew what would happen if they did but God did not know if they would eat of the tree or not.

Where does it say God is punishing mankind for the sins of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve made themselves imperfect and so when they had children those children inherited imperfection from their parents. God does not personally make every child born, imperfect at birth, imperfection is inherited from their parents.

This has nothing to do with anything I've said and so is far off base I don't know what to tell you.

 

I wasn't asking where the word omniscient was used, I was asking where it says this:

It has to do with my personal impression of the picture that you paint... that is all.

 

Where does it say God is punishing mankind for the sins of Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve made themselves imperfect and so when they had children those children inherited imperfection from their parents. God does not personally make every child born, imperfect at birth, imperfection is inherited from their parents.


Romans 5:12-21

 

I am questioning why the world is the way it is if there is a loving God. Questioning is different to blaming.

No matter what you say I will not accept that he allows people to suffer. There is no justification for that.

Didn't God create everything? We can not make our genes impure through mistakes.

It is also tiresome to try and ask questions and find out why things are the way they are from the Christian perspective when the only answer you get is - it's all our fault and God loves us. Especially when someone then becomes irritable about someone who disagrees.

I won't ask anymore questions on this thread because there are no helpful answers and I am tired of going round in circles.

Why not? I am sure the majority of the world's population would be very happy with that solution. But then I guess if that happened, there would be no need for a God to follow.

 

Ahhhhh, the fruit of christian apologetics. Stubbornly trudging forward over the carcasses of they that dare ask questions, uhmm after being invited to ask questions. Yes indeed ,that sweet smell of another verbal victory over an adversary that refused that God inspired insight.
After thirty years of watching and participating in these joust of faith,I have seen alot of people fall by the wayside because of the cold calculated "love?"of those attempting to imitate the grace and wisdom of Christ.
TispsyGypsy:
You are intellegent so, get you several versions of tne Bible and some comentaries and seek the truth yourself.Seek as Salomon did in Ecclesiastes, no one can anwer all of your questions except the source:Study to show yourself approved.

 

I have and I do - but still have a lot more to know. But, even if I read the Bible hundreds of times, have completed courses etc.. I still cannot see myself believing that a loving God has allowed the world to be this way, with only a simple explanation of "there are good things to come".

In no way am I saying Christianity is wrong, but it's not for me. And, if I die and realise I was wrong - then I will have learnt something new, and when I am reincarnated I will know what to do

 

In the second commandment.

 

Well this is what you actually said :

and I was replying to the first part and the last question.

As for the other question, the Bible does not directly say one way or another.

Thank you for your refreshing honesty.

Okay let’s compare what you stated with what I’ve been trying to say:

First you say: “okay citizens, some of you have fucked it all up for everyone else”. This implies that there is already a group people in existence that will be affected even though they have no connection with the people that “fucked it all up” but in the case at hand no such people existed or exist now. We are all descendants of Adam and Eve if they had remained perfect we would be perfect and since they chose to become imperfect we “inherited” imperfection from them. Not because God is punishing us but because that is what Adam and Eve gave us.

Then you say: “but we're not going to do anything” but in fact is the Bible is an entire book about what God has done, is doing and will do to fix this problem.

Then: “clearly you guys like it better this way”. Which is true, only about 6 million people, out of about 6 billion are trying to do it God’s way. The only thing that they would like better is if doing it their way, the wrong way, was turning out better instead of leading mankind to the brink of destruction.

Last: “We'll be here when you want to get back to believing in us.” This again implies that God is doing nothing, which simply not the case. As I’ve already pointed out God is working to fix the problem.

What most people don’t realize is that what amounts to a universal court case is going on. In the beginning Satan didn’t say; I’m stronger and more powerful than God, which could have been easily resolved but said God is not ruling correctly and is holding back good things from mankind. How do you prove or disprove something like that? God could have immediately destroyed his accusers but would that actually have proven that God was ruling correctly? The only way to prove the case one way another is to let Satan and mankind have a go at it, a chance at proving that God was ruling incorrectly and that they could do better without God. So there is a sort of “court” injunction against God interfering in the affairs of mankind, although God will not allow his true worshipers to be destroyed and has acted in their behalf in the past and will continue to do so. As for the court case it is almost resolved, mankind is nearing the brink of destruction and is running out of options and will realize that they have not proven that God was ruling incorrectly.

It is interesting to me that mostly what is said in these forums is basically people restating the accusation of the original “court case”, God is ruling incorrectly and by saying so they are indicting their own way of ruling the earth, because they are the ones responsible for all the pain and suffering and ruining the Earth, not God.

 

This is what Romans 5:12-21 says: That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—. 13 For until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not charged against anyone when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death ruled as king from Adam down to Moses, even over those who had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression by Adam, who bears a resemblance to him that was to come. 15 But it is not with the gift as it was with the trespass. For if by one man’s trespass many died, the undeserved kindness of God and his free gift with the undeserved kindness by the one man Jesus Christ abounded much more to many. 16 Also, it is not with the free gift as it was with the way things worked through the one [man] that sinned. For the judgment resulted from one trespass in condemnation, but the gift resulted from many trespasses in a declaration of righteousness. 17 For if by the trespass of the one [man] death ruled as king through that one, much more will those who receive the abundance of the undeserved kindness and of the free gift of righteousness rule as kings in life through the one [person], Jesus Christ. 18 So, then, as through one trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation, likewise also through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is a declaring of them righteous for life. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man many were constituted sinners, likewise also through the obedience of the one [person] many will be constituted righteous. 20 Now the Law came in beside in order that trespassing might abound. But where sin abounded, undeserved kindness abounded still more. 21 To what end? That, just as sin ruled as king with death, likewise also undeserved kindness might rule as king through righteousness with everlasting life in view through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I don't know but it seems pretty straight forward in saying that sin and death come from Adam and not as a "punishment" from God and it also seems to show that instead of punishing mankind God has helped mankind by giving them a way out of their troubles.

 

They can be the same thing.

This is why it’s tiresome to me, I give you the answers you seek but you have already made up your mind; “No matter what you say”. This just tells me you are not listening.

Yes, God created everything.

If we were perfect there would be no cancer, cancer is the result of imperfect replication of the genes, as I understand and is not a direct creation by God.

Well it is all our fault and God does love us.

And I’m not now, nor have I ever been irritated with you, I was just stating the fact that when talking to someone who already has their mind made up, it gets tiresome sometimes.

Well, if you actually listened to the answers but like you’ve already said you came here with your mind already made up; “No matter what you say”, so perhaps it’s for the best.

Typical, mankind does generally feel that destruction is the best solution to problems, fortunately God does not share your feelings on the matter.

 

Did you have a question?

 

I think god has done/is doing an amazing and mystical job, but that we (humans) have seriously raped this planet (and even 'outer space' in more recent years). I also happen to think about god in a very different way from most christians... different enough that I would imagine most christians wouldn't see many similarities between themselves and me.

The real main reason that I post in this thread is because you claim to be answering questions about the bible, but is that actually what you are doing? It seems more like you are trying to defend your christian perspective from the non-believers...

 

"For the wages of sin is death;but the gift of God is enternal life through Jesus Christ our lord."
Wages are earned as is punishment, if death came from adam then your sins will be visited upon your children.
It would seem that this is being viewed sort of backward,the only purpose in any of this is to show the saving grace of Jesus Christ.

The greastest commandment is to love God, and the new commandment Christ gave was to love our brother as ourself.Upon these hang all of the prophets.

BTW, there are some christians on here that seem to be demonstrating a little arrogance, if this offends you, remember steel sharpens steel.We have but one adversary and each of us are only a small part of Christ. Not the all knowing,uhh that would be God.