Bible Questions?

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  1. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Jesus never intended to be an object of worship, as a matter of fact, he repeatedly and specifically pointed that out. Jesus said he could be counted on for assistance, as a brother to the aid of another. If there is any value in the idea of the divinity of Jesus, it is that it is equal to his brothers.
    As much the idea of divine Mary.
    Who is my mother? Those who do the will of the father.



    Christ has authority for the Sonship. This is all the power he has.
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    (John 12:16) These things his disciples took no note of at first, but when Jesus became glorified, then they called to mind that these things were written respecting him and that they did these things to him.
    (John 12:23) But Jesus answered them, saying: “The hour has come for the Son of man to be glorified.(John 13:32) And God will himself glorify him, and he will glorify him immediately.
    (John 17:1) Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you,
    (1 Timothy 3:16) Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in [the] world, was received up in glory.’
     
  3. Grim

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    But these quotes are all paraphrased from "I heard from a guy who heard from a guy who took a bath once with a guy who was there!" sources; so it's unlikely you can really dwell on the specifics and in general should just stick to the general message of "Be good."
     
  4. stoney69

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    how is this not an assumption ??
     
  5. stoney69

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    see it dint occur to me that way as i see you commentin on the uncommentables too. i'd call it dodge, but lets just say you overlooked
     
  6. stoney69

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    how? making him die violently ? and Jesus crying ..."My Lord, My Lord, why hast thou forsaken me". but really, verses where Jehovah is glorifying him please ..?

    no read it again, the verse you quoted
    Matt. 24:24: “False Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs [“miracles,” TEV] and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.”

    which chosen ones? who are they. and there's nothing mentioned or alluding to the Bible in these verses ..!

    so what makes him God part ii ?
     
  7. stoney69

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    “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (Matthew 7:21–23).
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    If that's what you want to believe, then okay, go and sin no more. :D
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    It's not an assumption because I didn't assume that they testified to the veracity of what was written I mere stated the fact that there were still eyewitnesses around when the Books of the Christian Greek Scriptures were written and that is the reason I tend to trust them more than the books that were written 200 years later when no eyewitnesses were around.
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Let's just just say that you are the question dodger and thus tend to see others as dodging questions rather than realizing that some people have lives and are not at your beck and call to instantly answer every obtuse question you ask instantly.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Don't you even bother to read what has been posted?
    and here I'll even add this one for you:
    (Acts 2:33) Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which YOU see and hear.
    Those anointed with Holy Spirit would be the chosen ones, which would include the Apostles but then it does not say they were mislead but that the “False Christs and false prophets" would try to mislead them, "if possible".

    As for the Bible not being mentioned, what do you think they would be mislead from? The truth and the truth is in the Bible.

    Either you really don't read other's posts or you have a very short memory or your comprehension is so low you shouldn't try to enter into a discussion with others or .....

    Because I have constantly stated that Jesus is the Son of God, I have never said that Jesus was God or part of God or is God part ii. So ask some one who believes Jesus is those things but I am not one of them.
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Your point?
     
  13. thedope

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    And you shall do greater works than these.
     
  14. aFoolOnaHill

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    So why care about the existence of eyewitnesses at all? Is your trust based on the chance that they might have had some input? To me that is stranger than thinking that the book is the "word of god."
     
  15. stoney69

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    part of my question has already been posed by aFoolOnaHill, and the other is ..your version of the Bible, is it the original greek scripture ? or directly translated from and into the language you got, or was it from that to something else and then to something else and after all that, into what you finally got ?

    is Jesus called Jesus in your Bible ? or is the actual name of Jesus (you know, before it was translated) in there ? and is Messiah retained instead of Christ or kristos/christos ?

    when you have the name(s) itself translated that've changed the sound/meaning of it ..(and names are never ever ever translated) what can you say about the rest of it
     
  16. stoney69

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    see all the ones above is 'he said to him who said to them who said to ..and all without the authority to say so, you don't even know who authored it ..(and don't be claiming some eyewitness was apparently alive when it was written) if one verse can be quoted where God (Jehovah) himself talks about glorifying Jesus, lets have it

    and you don't think they could've ever been misled ? they lived their lives sinless ? they were more stronger than Jesus to never have been tempted by the Devil ? ....ofcourse it doesn't say that specifically, but there's so much else you seem to have analysed and have the answer to, just as without hesitation you say deut 18:18-20 is being referred to Jesus when it doesn't specifically say so

    so they would be misled from the truth, but the truth would've already been written (in the Bible), so it'd be too late for them to be misled ?

    i have no such problem, but you alone are not representation of Christianity, and im guessing only the minority donot believe in Jesus as God part ii ..besides, what good is being a Son of God when you can't be called a God too ..at some stage ?? we get to become men, after being a son of man ..Jesus doesn't even get that privilege ..always stays Son of
     
  17. stoney69

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    if you have missed the point, what's the point of me pointing out what my point was
     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    And you can't even answer the simple questions. :rolleyes:
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Because if there are eyewitnesses, that tends to mean that they are eyewitness of actually happened.
    No, my trust is based on the fact that the Bible is the word of God.
    To you it would.
     
  20. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't have a version of the Bible.
    The translation that I generally use was directly translation from the ancient Greek manuscripts.
    Yes.
    Well, translating words into another language kind of means that words are translated into another language. :rolleyes:
    In the translation I generally use both Messiah and Christ are used.
    First, names are many times translated, I don't know where you got the idea they never are.

    As for what I can say about the rest of it, It is the Word of God.
     
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