Black Lives Matter Accused Of Tying Up And Torturing Disabled Man

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You do a lot of diverting away from BLM and pointing fingers at trump and white supremacy. ... tell me to not go to the source and that clear statements and misinformation on their website is my misinterpretatio

I do not know how anyone could read otherwise when such things like

" It is an acknowledgment that 1 million Black people are locked in cages in this country–one half of all people in prisons or jails–is an act of state violence"

Another

"2.8 million black people in prison"

There are other places their website states other numbers which are also outright lies and inaccurate. I don't want to point them all out as it is not my job to fact check and edit their website. They may change it in the future but the statements will remain. Way back machine is our friend,

"BlackLivesMatter means that Black lives, which are seen as without value within White supremacy, are important to your liberation. "

" squeeze us into boxes of normality defined by White supremacy is state violence. And the fact is that the lives of Black people—not ALL people—exist within these conditions is consequence of state violence."

is white supremacy the state? The state is a nation or territory under a political party of a country... white supremacy is the USA government? Acts of violence committed by an official state, military or sponsored by a sovereign government outside of the context of a declared war, which target civilians or show a disregard for civilian life in attacking targets—either people or facilities.

This applies only to black people,

"It is appropriate and necessary to have strategy and action centered around Blackness without other non-Black communities of color, or White folks for that matter, needing to find a place and a way to center themselves within it."

White folks? Really? We all know that folks is used as a derogatory term, dated and describes someone who you would be unhappy to meet at a backwoods BBQ.

Obama even used the word folks and it has negative connotations.

"those folks could kill Americans” and urged “Arab and Muslim leaders to say very clearly, ‘These folks do not represent us.’”

Them and us. Folks are the enemy. Folks have come to mean someone you don't want to associate with.

When I quote their website I am told I am looking and reading the wrong thing, told to look elsewhere. Told to use google.
When I give actual figures and numbers these numbers are simply disregarded, not even addressed.
had a response of "so" in response to a link on the BLM website that was full of hate towards white, the state, capitalism, Donald trunp
Told to look on the Internet for the answer that you want me to hear.
When I link a page to a BLM supporters article and writer I am told I am linking an anti black website.
When I link to an American black hero I am told he is a canuck hero and has nothing to do with black lives or humanity for that mater.

I am still waiting on the dissection.

As I said this is not about a fucking hashtag. It is about an organization that has created a division, created fear, created hatred through propagating misinformation which has cause some people to lash out. As these 4 did . BLM is culpable. The reason these 4 adults had no compassion is because they felt justified. BLM counts, the white boy doesnt. This young mans family is poor. They live on the poverty line. Responses from very public black BLM supporters were statements like. "Oh poor white people". And "I am not going to advocate for the white kid, it was not racism". Now Advocate - to recommend a particular policy ... but to BLM that does not pertain to all.. only to a specific ethnicity. Unity does not come from division. Division like this does not create understanding, it creates fear of an unknown which brings about racism.

"those poor black kids, where are their guardians". They are adults not kids. "Those 4 kids need help". "BLM hashtag needs to be removed". Really? That is the immediate concern? BLM supporters spread that hashtag around too. Making it bigger. More wide spread.

A young girls donated her tooth fairy money to help with this young mans recovery. That is what I think about in this, and a young man tortured because of his ethnicity and differences by 4 adults who are racist.

Hot water, you are right, the actions of these 4 young adults was deplorable. We as a whole need more people like you to stand up and say racism is racism and we as a country will stand beside anyone and everyone who is a victim of it. To refer to some as "yOU PEOPLE" That is a racist thing to say and younknow it. You are calling him a racist and you don't know. Throw that out there and you draw a line. It isn't about dividing.

There is a fear of Donald trump. Not sure why really. There was a fear of obama too. Everyone panics at the thought of change. Settle in a little. Trump is not racist. He is a business man. Maybe he will create jobs.. improve the country. Just because a racist votes for a president that does not make the present elect racist. Obamas minister, that racist guy vored for obama, Does that make obama racist?,

Again this is sbout a hate crime that was committed .. and racially divided groups propagating myths that bring about racism.

 

Yeah, I figured that...but I had to take a jab at him for suggesting that I may have head lice in my 'Itchy Scalp' thread. Now we are even.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males

Morphgirl, i think you misread the prison stats on their website

There are 2.3 million men in prison

Of those, 1 million are black men

A disproportionate number relative to the total population, by the way

 

Also, not really an important point, but i have never heard the word folks used as a racist term. I really dont think it is, i certainly did not interpret it that way on the BLM website

A lot of your interpretation of their website is just that, interpretation.

 

No, on this page. 2.8 million.

http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

On this page 1 million

http://blacklivesmatter.com/herstory/

There site is a labynth... it gives other numbers for how many black people are in jail as well. They never give the numbers for everyone. It is only about black people. disjointed with a lot of pages with out right lies designed to.create an outcry in a community where by the facts are false. Play with the real numbers... not inflated made up figures designed to make people fear something.

See this is what bother me, I heard the numbers propagated by BLM. It was outrageous... I was ashamed. Couldn't believe that this was the fact. I decided to fact check thing on nuetral sites ... just numbers... and came to realize they lied ... they are lying to people . Statistics and facts. How many people are in prison in the USA. How many are black Hispanic, white etc... they push a lie that outrages people how can one trust them?

 

Oh yeah, so it does say that

My apologies, i just figured since the 2.8 figure is so close to the 2.3 million total population stat i've seen elsewhere that maybe you misread it

Well then lol. They should fact check better

 

I checked the BLM website and found such 'horrifying' statements as these:

http://blacklivesmatter.com/

What is the big deal with that?

I'll freely admit that I disagree with most if not all of their political positions...I am not a socialist and never will be. But I don't find BLM's positions to be any more disturbing than the Democrat or Republican positions on social matters.

 

Nothing is wrong with it, the problem comes when you go deeper into the site and will read the exact opposit, a contradiction.

You will see the same kind of tactics with other organizations like the kkk.

Two people come knocking on my door, I open and think they are religious and want to convert me... they start talking about green peace I let out a breath and said, oh ... laughed... thank god, I thought you were a religious group that wants to convert me.. they said, well actually we are Jehovah's ... they mislead me for an agenda.

 

The fascists of the future will call themselves the anti-fascists

The future is happening here and now.

 

Who are you talking about here? Or is it ment as some kind of general prophecy. Some people act like they're POV's are not tolerated at all. Yet there are lenghty threads about them where they are discussed.
I'm sure you met some people who are so concerned about racism and inequality that they display a fascist tendency (they're on both 'sides') but you shouldn't give them more merit than they actually have.
People focussing on the most ridicilous people on the other side of the argument and then act like they're the main or only ones on the opposite side of that argument seems a bigger issue these days and in the near future.

 

Black Lives Matter claims to be an anti-fascist movement. Yet if you criticize or call out their bullshit you are deemed a racist. Fascists use violence and intimidation to get their message across. I suspect most of the advocates in this thread support BLM out of fear of being called a racist.

 

Lol i dont fear being called a racist at all

 

So BLM advocates lynching?

Granted they could use some work on their public relations, but don't compare them to the KKK, that's idiotic.

 

The last recorded lynching in the USA was 35 years ago I believe? Not to diminish the fact that this happened but if the kkk is still advocating lynching, why is it not happening? 1981 Michael Donald. This was in response to a black man getting off with the shooting death of a police officer.

One was executed for the murder and the other two are serving life the other is dead. Not acceptable to exact your own brand of justice.

They both BLM and KKK spew out false statements, propagates a myth, to create fear in people. This fear incite hatred which does and can lead to violence, death. Twist the facts to suit their agenda at the cost of other people lives. That was my point.

You are aware that burning a building because it is owned by a white person is a crime and can result in death... it is not justified Just as it is if you burn a building owned by a black person as a means to enact your own justice, especially when based on the ethnicity of an owner.. Is a crime. If you pull someone out of his car and beat the indupidual because something happened to one ethnicity and take it out on another ethnicity....during a march, and are in a group, that person dies...

You know what a lynch mob is.

If you march beside someone know who is standing beside you. Don't say, ooops, not my fault. Organizers have a responsibility, unfortunately spreading lies and myths amoungst most groups for their own purpose seems to be more important than lives. outrage the masses and gather more people without any control.

 

First off I'm actually talking about the original topic which is the torture of this kid. The reason that I pointed out who started #BLMkidnapping is because that if someone hadn't suggested it to you I seriously doubt that you would be attributing it to Black Lives Matter. So by going back and finding out who started the hashtag I'm pointing out the facts about where you are getting this misinformation. If someone didn't tell you that Black Lives Matter had something to do with it you wouldn't be looking for connections that aren't there and cherry picking the juciest parts of their website to back your claims and claiming that you know all about them without any actual experience in dealing with them.

At 41 having grown up in Poor White America and worked in Inner Cities I've seen my fair share of well meaning but misguided wannabe social justice crusaders and just plain misguided wannabe thugs. Enough of each to be able to tell the difference. Do I believe that race was an issue in this? Fuck yes. Do I believe that the fact that the kid is disabled and couldn't defend himself was an issue? Absolutely! Do I believe that the attackers had a political agenda? Fuck no! This is the behavior of wannabe thugs.

After probably reading about 40 or so articles on this crime. Watching reaction videos and listening to others both black and white talking about this and these issues led me to this belief. One of the articles that I read was linking one of the attackers to a gangsta rap group called "Pooh Bear Gang" you remember the video I posted earlier of the kid getting blunted and inviting the victim over to listen to music. He is a member of PBG and explained who these dipshits were and how they were viewed in their community, trying to act like hard gangsta thugs and that it was just a show. I believe that same attacker had made a video for one of his rap songs where he is aiming guns at the camera and rapping about killing anyone who disrespects him. Typical cliche gangsta shit.

Since Morphgirl you are so fond of the New York Daily News here are a couple of videos from another one of their contributors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l71Pvvnp3oE

Pretty good explanation about what BLM actually stands for.

If you really want know about the many issues with Trump:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsqKyv86pEY

Now I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Black Lives Matter to protest the sentencing of these scumbags.

C/S,
Rev J

 

The shooter in Dallas who killed 5 officers and injured several more stated he did it to kill cops and white people, and did it for Black Lives Matter. But of course it has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter, right?

The counter argument always goes back to, "These are just a few people who dirty up the good nature of a wonderful movement." However, the problem is that it is not just "a few people." Riots, looting, destroying neighborhoods, blocking ambulances so they can't take patients to the hospital, is LOTS of fucking people. They are doing it in the name of Black Lives Matter, and the mainstream media is emboldening these people.

 

Riots and looting at protests generally don't have anything to do with the protests. For example the Black Block had nothing to do with the anti-war movement. Protests turning into riots/looting has been going on long before Black Lives Matter.

Did the LA Riots have anything to do with BLM?

Did the White Night riots have to do with BLM?

Did Watts have to do with BLM?

Did the DC riots after MLK died have to do with BLM?

I could keep going.

May I ask you a question since you are also a self proclaimed expert on this. Have you talked to any BLM members/supporters? Have you seen first hand/talked to rioters/looters?

These things happen where I live with semi regularity. For the most part the rioters don't give a shit about what is being protested and are doing this shit for the adrenaline rush of doing it. They see an opportunity and they act on it.

But this is so far off the original subject. Nowhere in that video was BLM mentioned. The police stated that there is no connection. The neighbors stated there is no connection. BLM has stated there is no connection. Probably when this comes to trial the thugs will admit that there is no connection but you probably won't believe that either because you already have your mind made up and it is too easy to blame BLM because Richard Spencer and Alex Jones told you they are to blame.

Maybe it's the Clockwork Elves.

C/S,
Rev J

 

lol

so referencing BLM writer, supporter and activist Shaun King.. is that it? ONE? lol One person you come up with to tear apart everything I have stated, everyone I have referenced. WOW I AM IMPRESSED!

Shaun King who brought himself into this... Who brought up this young man , one who was kidnapped by 4 racist individuals.
Defended the perpetrators and essentially said "I will not advocate for a victim who is white. There was no racism in this case."
He writes for there ny daily news, so why exactly should I not read what Shaun King has to say? Because he is a strong BLM advocate who writes for a paper you don't approve of?
He does not represent the feelings on the BLM Organization and its people even though he is one? WHO DOES?

No referencing BLM Supporter/activist who spew racial slurs and have a biased agenda.
"Oh my Goodness, Poor White People" with regards to black protesters (BLM Supporters) dragging a white person, beating him and stealing his car. Claiming that Protesting and violence during protests against whttes are not the same thing as a hate crime.

IF the KKK marches down the street protesting and decides to drag a black man from a car you can bet your ass that is a racist act and will be punishable as a hate crime. IT SHOULD BE

You do understand that is all part of the problem and situation at hand? the initial responses and the flippant comments without regard for human life based on a skin colour? This brought very BLM supporters feelings on the matter into the story.

No referencing the BLM website and pointing out discrepancies on their website and lies told. Who have propagated myths that supporters believe? fostered hatred and encouraged violence, create a racial divide?

Are these the rules Rev?

I was not the one who started the BLM talk. It was BLM supporters who did this, it was BLM org themselves who did this when they took a stance against the Victim. OH the poor guy but hey, not my problem. Lets talk about trump and how he is responsible. If not for the boys parents this would have never happened. If you are going to turn your back on someone hurt you are guilty of a crime. When you support perpetrators and try to make them into Victim. You are responsible for people speaking out against BLM if you are a supporter these statements that have been made public. Do you understand the concept? You can not have it both ways. I know you did not support some statements, but do you understand it is for the ones who are strong voices within BLM who need to take responsibility for this. I would have more respexct if these people said.. I WAS WRONG, my statements were callous. It was bigoted of me to disregard this victim based on the colour of his skin. This kind of attitude has to change.

This does not make people who see fault in this racist. BLM is responsible for lying to the people which has caused a division within a country and people. When statements were made in here I corrected it, IF it was incorrect and not in accordance with the BLM website and their statements and stance. Some people will drink the kool aid without questioning what is in the drink., REVEREND JS Not drinking yours. Calling yourself a reverend does not make you a voice of reason or peace.

Please go and shoot the messenger and not me.

You rev will turn this entire conversation into the evils of the White Supremest (Who I don't agree with the ideology of) and Donald Trump, who is a business man and a political party leader.. Which you have continued to attempt to push on others. Which you continue to associate yet they are two separate entities.

Yet, it is me who has Changed the topic?

I have stuck to the issue at hand. Given actual information. Actual Numbers to dispute, validly disputed Peoples misinformation with regards to BLM., BLM Numbers discrepancies yet I am the one who is misformed.

BLM Supporters who have made racist statements. Insist that BLM was strictly about Black people killed by cops. Unjust incarceration... etc. When I point out that they are not ... which I received directly from the horses mouth (THE BLM ORGANIZATION WEBSITE) I provide links and quote. Then I am told that I am misinterpreting things. My numbers are wrong. Met with silence because there is no way to disagree. This was to stop the continued spreading of lies BLM has spread. If people will defend their statements with regards to the victim in here, make statements that are false, I will point out where the error is in that statement.

Continually I brought it back to the victim and the disgust I have felt from BLM supporters who have expressed disdain for the victim yet at the same time claiming they do not condone the actions of the 4 racists. I can say the same for you. Have you ever heard that bad publicity is better than no publicity? BLM is using this. \

Only when you are asked for an explanation will you bring up the victim and how you re keeping on topic. BS. Just like you did above... claiming to make it about the victim and getting on track but closing with your links to some guy who I don't give a fuck about taking shit about a politician you do not support and neither does BLM. His words are more valid cause they are inline with your views that you want to push on other people.

Great Acting job and pretending you even care about the victim.

I am sure there is a fund raiser out there somewhere for these 4 racists. Wonder who will sponsor that? After all they are poor criminals and need help, who are not racist and abused and tortured a poor young man . *crying for the perps*

 

Hang on a sec. What racist agenda of mine are you talking about? You called me a racist, now defend it for me please.

So far I have yet to see any evidence of your movement improve racial relations. You are not insinuating that I believe black lives don't matter, are you?

If anything, Black Lives Matter is an ideology that is pushed by the media to fan the flames of a viscous race war, and the artificial Oppression Olympics that keeps the country more divided.

If you think police brutality is bad in this country right now, you ain't seen NOTHING yet. Black Lives Matter ideologies pushing activists to ambush police officers, are only going to make cops more aggressive and brutal. You wanna stop police militarization? This is just going to give police departments more excuses to be provided military equipment. Do you think the way young black men are being treated by law enforcement is bad right now? Police are just going to have itchier trigger fingers if confronted by young black men if they are being encouraged to kill police officers and wage a war with them. Also, insinuating animosity against the black community and the police department, is going to make police less apt to enforce crimes in black communities, thereby making the living conditions and crime rates in black communities worse.

These riots, attacks on police and white people, will just further expand the police state and justify its permanent existence.

 

Maybe you're just overlooking the apparent "need" for payback. Since there's no way to get even with the people who owned slaves or the people who enforced Jim Crow, it's easier to simply fallback and blame any and all white Americans and take out the frustrations on them. It makes everything so simple. Fail a test in school, blame the "white" education system". Lose your job, blame the white CEO. Can't get a loan, blame the white people on the money and of course the white bankers. Since few can actually reach these kinds of lofty targets of ire, it's easier to simply sucker-punch some lone or disabled white person while yelling something like "this is for Trayvon" or "this is for slavery". Follow it with "cracker" of course.

And why not? After all, black people "can't" be racists. Thank God and Trotsky for that. So their hatred of people for being white is the benevolent sort of hate that should be respected and admired since they are raising awareness and putting their "struggle" out for all to see. What an amazing time we live in!!!

I remember the last war on cops, it didn't end well. It touched off a witch hunt. Cops have been insufferable dicks ever since, but maybe they can get worse. They already have a reputation for being on safari and hunting down black people on a whim. Who cares about the actual numbers? Clearly not the white people being offed by the cops.

Have you noticed that nobody refers to Yuri Gagarin as "the first white man in space"? Why IS that? After all, he's surely the epitome of "white privilege" isn't he?


Let the waves of belittling crap begin.....................................