Black Lives Matter Accused Of Tying Up And Torturing Disabled Man

Interesting both articles were posted on the same day. But here is what I noticed:

https://www.************/blacklivesmatterchi/posts/1847410538881888

BLM posted their response of Facebook at 7:14PM on Wednesday

Yet the article you cited was posted on Thursday afternoon.

Problems arise when you only get your news from one source. If you only read articles about how BLM said nothing and don't check dates/times and cross check it which is fairly simple you get misinformation.

I've been snide enough but honestly have you ever met/talked to a BLM supporter in real life?

C/S,
Rev J

 

I do wonder if you read links you post or are you just being faciicious? Lol.

Your link proves my point ... thanks. Lol. and my link was written by Shaun king, a well known BLM activist writer for the ny daily news. To say my link was anti BLM was inaccurate but hey, that is the way of things here.

Yes I know people who support BLM, I grew up and live in a very diverse city. Do you?
KKK accepts all races/nationalities in their org too, it doesn't mean I am going to go out and join their fucking group either.

 

I wonder if anyone believes anything in the press these days. I used to read dozens of news sources before feeling even close to the truth. Today I barely trust any of them at all and have begun wasting my time in other ways like doing the laundry, cleaning my grill, doing my nails and clipping the dogs. So far all of that has been more interesting than the news these days.

 

In terms of people powered, domestic current event news stories like BLM protests, Standing Rock protests, etc I find watching social media videos to be more accurate than traditional or even alternative news. If you watch enough videos you can get an accurate, balanced portrayal whereas traditional media is always going to push its own agenda or report it in a way that attracts more viewers

 

Exactly!! I seemed to find out more about this Chicago thing from twitter of all places. Yes, the hashtag was obvious and I'm certain BLM wouldn't sanction such a thing as a national entity, but then, they're as decentralized as Al Qaeda was in the beginning, so who is to say what a loose gaggle of their supporters would cook up? Just look at all the shit cooked up by right wing losers that has been attached to Trump. It's clear he would never openly advocate for this crap, what politician would.

What I did see, mostly on twitter, was various heads talking for BLM and it seemed like the bulk of them were pissed about the hashtag, oh well, and many were jumping first to the "we didn't nothing to do with it" kind of distance measures. I admit, I didn't expect much more since BLM is so silent about all the murders and gang killings we have in the nation. They don't seem to have much to say about babies getting caught in the crossfire. So I'm not shocked they wouldn't advocate for this kid who fell victim to a torture party (a rather festive one at that in a psychotic kind of way).

If damage control is their first reaction, what are we to think of anyone? Remember how Pennsylvania State went into the same kind of damage control when the cat was finally out of the bag regarding their coaching staff? They lined up to protect football at any cost. Even threatening death to anyone who advocated for the children who were raped. I can't respect that kind of thinking.

 

Yes Morphgirl I did read the article that you posted. That is how I managed to notice the date and time it was posted. But Mr King is obviously misinformed as Black Lives Matter posted their response decrying the actions on Facebook 24 hours before he wrote his piece. Facts are facts. Having a tantrum just because you are wrong doesn't change that.


I live about 5 blocks from the Berkeley Oakland border. I've seen, read, and known about multiple riots in that area for about the last 10 years and have noticed the patterns that I have pointed out.

Now in the name of equality I'm going to invoke White Male Privilege. As a white male I don't have to defend or condone every stupid thing that a white person does in this country and on top of that I don't have the time or inclination to do so. Having said that neither does Black Lives Matter or any other person/organization.

What does race bait taste like? Comparing Black Lives Matter to the Klan is beyond ludicrous. Black Lives Matters goal is to improve conditions in predominantly black communities and make the people in charge of protecting them more accountable for their actions. The Klan is about oppression of those who are different. In my opinion the Klan has more in common with the Nation of Islam who truly a Black Supremacist organization.

Bye Felicia.

C/S,
Rev J

 

Well said Dick. You do have to look at social media, which newspapers have now gone to and writers have their followings, newspapers hire writers with a very large social media following, like Shaun king does. People believe their word as god. One unknown person who posts a you tube video is not going viral... most don't go viral... their friends see it and it is lost.

BLM showed their feelings when they turned it into a statement of blacks will be punished harder than a white man would be, and we will not address this racism, because it is not, only if it is a black person will we advocate for them.

I don't think you can trust any large group with an unknown agenda. Supporters are even confused as to what they stand for. It is about open dialog between black people only and the advancement of black people in the community... how is this achieved? what 2 black people say when together or 50 say when together is the consensus of the group ... no matter what? Mob rules?

This is about Austin and how he was treated by racist people, hateful people... and how a very outspoken group failed to have compassion for him because of his skin colour and defending rather than bein an advocate for a victim and something they claim to be against. If you are going to be against racism, it doesn't have a colour in the eyes of those against it. You can't stand against it if it only is defended b your group when it is done to someone with your ethnic background. That is racist. I am not saying that all BLM supporters feel this way but the response from BLM supporters in th media, and by the BLM organization itself says a lot. Many have come to the defence of the BLM oinstead of saying yeah I am BLM and the organizations response to this is messed up. I don't agree with it.

 

Lol

Recall that quote of Tumbling dice from the BLM site that clearly explained BLM feelings on the matter? Thats when BLM showed their feelings.

You have to keep in mind what BLM is and why. They're an organisation that tries to deal with the inequality from the police against blacks. You may not agree with their purpose, but that is basically irrelevant. Because the purpose of their existence is not about any person getting mistreated for dubious reasons they say this is not our issue as it is a white man. Once again, you may piss on that or use it as reason to point out how dubious they are, but just because they cater to a specific crowd and purpose doesn't mean they have ill feelings when it is a white guy and they say this is not our issue.

This is probably also why nobody responded to your post where you say they are offensive because they're like a white supremacist group.

 

You select which quotes from their website you acknowledge when their website clearly states:

"It is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes."

It goes beyond that' .. you might want to read through it in its entirety (their site) and let me know if you figure out what they are about.

Does racism have a colour? Isn't it better to come together against racism as a whole rather than seperatng it?

 

The thing is Social Media is like one big game of telephone. One person either mistakenly or on purpose mentions BLM and the hashtag catches fire while people are still reacting viscerally rather than logically and this is what it turns into. This is propaganda 101. There is a line from the old show Sledge Hammer, "I don't read the newspaper. I get my information from more reliable sources. Gossip and small children." sounds like social media to me and after reading about so many fake news stories that came from social media that is what it sounds like to me.

The fact that Shaun King can write that BLM said nothing in an article on Thursday yet I can go to a Hip Hop website and find a link to their Facebook page decrying it posted Wednesday shows me that even within that community either one hand doesn't know what the other is doing or like the alt right they can't be bothered with fact checking.

The fact that this is being politicized, argued and used to push an agenda is sickening.

Morphgirl BLM HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. THEY SPOKE OUT AGAINST IT. THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH IT. THE KIDS WHO DID IT DIDN'T HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA AND WERE BRAINLESS THUGS WITH NO CONNECTION TO BLACK LIVES MATTER. THEIR IDEOLOGY DIDN'T DO THIS. IT IS DUMBASS GANGSTA POSTURING. JUST BECAUSE 480,000 PEOPLE ON TWITTER SAID THE OPPOSITE DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE. YOU ARE BEING PLAYED A FOOL IF YOU BELIEVE THAT BLACK LIVES MATTER AND THEIR SUPPORTERS AND IDEOLOGY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. SHUT OFF YOUR INTERNAL DIALOG YOU ARE WRONG!

That said I don't mind being disagree with or opposing viewpoints as long as there is solid information and a certain amount of logic backing up said viewpoints. If someone shows quotes, links, and examples showing how wrong you are it is probably in your best interests to accept it and modify your opinions.

C/S,
Rev J

 

And your point is? Good I am glad you know people. My comment was in response to that rev guy who asked if I knew anyone....etc.. Glad you can speak for rev.

Thanks for sharing.

 

The fact that Chicago PD and CNN had to drag their feet through the dirt, kicking and screaming the whole way before they were finally forced to admit it was a "hate crime." Yeah they've lost all credibility with me. Now, I'm against the whole concept of hate crimes. Any crime harming another person is an act of hate in my opinion. But if we are going to charge certain people for hate crimes, the same charges should apply when racism travels the other direction.

It depends on the reasoning why the black person hurt the white person. Did the white person sleep with the black person's wife? Did the white person steal from the black person, and the black person is getting even? Does the black person yell "fuck white people!" "Black Lives Matter!" "This is for Michael Brown" over and over as they beat the shit out of the white person?

Should we not blame the cultural influences of white supremacist ideologies and organizations like Stromfront for fostering the ideology and actions of Dylan Roof? Or are they an innocent party too, and should we all just say: Not all white supremacists are bad people?

 

We absolutely should blame white supremacists for actions of people who attack minorities out of hatred. But BLM doesn't represent black supremacy they represent black equality, and they mustn't be held responsible for the actions of some sadistic punks who warp BLM's message.

 

What i'm getting from some of these posts is BLM matters bothers them because they arent inclusive of whites per the statements on their website (stating their mission is to foster dialogue between blacks within the black community, for example)

I dont think this equates to black supremacy. And I also dont think not being specifically inclusive of whites is the same as purposely being exclusive - i'm sure if you really wanted to help the black community your local chapter would be more than willing to accept the help.

Also, read earlier that there are 48 different chapters of BLM across the US and all operate independently of each other in response to the needs of the local community - and that the founders wanted it this way to keep it from becoming exactly the kind of centralized, corrupt organization that some are painting it in this thread

 

I think this is an interesting topic. Dylan Roof essentially became radicalized in the same way people who move to Syria to join ISIS become radicalized. And I have no doubt there are impressionable black kids who also become radicalized in the same way after being exposed to black supremacy ideology - (guess i'll take this time to reiterate I dont believe BLM as a whole believes in black supremacy, although some do)

We can and should blame cultural influences but i'm more interested in exactly what makes an individual vulnerable to radicalization.

Probably a topic better suited to its own thread though

 

You forgot to mention La Pena Cultural Center, the Commerative Committee of the Black Panther Party, the Ashby Flea Market with the drum circle, really cool African, Tibetan, and Nepalese stuff, plus the Jamaican, Mexican, African and Barbecue stands.

Then there is the Ed Roberts Campus named after a disabled rights pioneer that is essentially one stop shopping for disability resources.

I don't think I mentioned it here but I work as a personal attendant for disabled people and one of my clients has been a disabled rights activist for more than 30 years.

He is also smart enough to know that BLM is not behind this in any way, doesn't condone it and isn't a racist organization.

Also on the subject of disability here is another thing that frosts my ass about this. One of those shitheads lawyers made it a point to mention that his client takes care of his paraplegic brother which makes his actions worse in my eyes.

Not to mention the alt right types who dragged Black Lives Matter into this and put emphasis on the fact that the victim is mentally disabled. The fact is they don't give a fuck about his disability or disability in general because it is a drain on the system. They would cut loose any social safety net they could on him ASAP as soon as they reach their agenda. As long as they get to demonise another minority that stands up to them the mentally disabled guy is useful and not a drain after that cut him loose.

C/S,
Rev J

 

Let me give you a scenario

I come from what some say is the most diverse city in the world, a city with no minority and no majority... we are all minorities here. I see a fair bit of violence and racial divides through groups/areas that are only a voice representing one racial group. I see people who come together as one voice as well.. people who simply say cut the bs... everyone here is free... you can get an education... you can get loans for school if you can not afford it, you can make a life for yourself. we as a whole just want to go to work, have a good day at work, probably won't be cause most hate their jobs, and go home to people who love us at the end of the day... this is all most people want. People work hard... all people do. I see Tamil Tigers and Sinhalese coming to my country, my city and fighting amoungst themselves. Shooting, Claiming to want to flee the problem in their country yet bringing those problems here, serves no purpose. I have walked into stores in my city that are owned by Chinese people and been followed around a store .. people assuming I am going to steal something simply because I am not Asian, same has happened in a black owned business .. East Indian owned as well as being refused service and told to leave establishments and that I can not purchase something in their store because I am not welcome in there based on my skin colour, or I am not a part of the gang that frequents the establishment. Have walked into businesses simply wanting a book of matches or a lighter and refused purchase, yet I have stood there and would not leave til I received what I came in for. I see gangs fighting amoungst themselves. As a matter of fact, recently in my city there was a kidnapping and sexual assault on two 17 years old by gang members where they held these 17 year old boys for days... tortured and sexually assaulted them. The victims were not a part of either gang but known by both gangs and neutral to both. Sickening. Just as it is with what happened to this young man.

These indiduals, on their Facebook page, after it became public, then and only then did people say on their facebook page that was not cool, I can't associate with you anymore. One of them, their last words on their page were. I'm dead. I can't have compassion for someone who has none.

Also lets reverse things here

A. Black young man is attacked by 3 white young men in a locker room.
They yell racial slurs
Quote or sing some kkk song
Abuse him in horrendous ways
The young man has some disabilities

Now the kkk comes forward and says... this was a terrible act, we do not condone violence... but this is not a hate crime, these are kids who just want to be bad. let's not forget the white people who are attacked in this country by black people everyday. Then Talks statistics... remember...Obama had a racist black minister who hates white people... preached it to his congregation, a congregation Obama was a part of til it became public, this was a good friend of his who he had over for dinner a lot. 50 percent of the criminals in prison are white, we must not put these guys in jail, they need help...

diverting attention away from facts of the crime.. not acceptable.

if these statements are made by a group, a webste that is read and followed by a mass of people who are of a certain ethnicity, Uses the horrific act ... tries to downplay it yet at the same time defends them in a way ... they have their own agenda to support and defend people only based on skin colour when it applies to racism. Denying racism when it applies to different ethnicities.. what does that say to you? To me it says... they are racist, which they are, they do not really care what happened to this person simply because of the ethnicity of the victim and in not truly caring they agree with it, support the act, agree with it,..which you read all over their website. Condone it.. support it even though they said, this was terrible, we do not condone it, they diminish the act. That is racist because the victim is not of the same ethnicity, their life does not truly matter to the ones who are that, to me is sending a message...

It goes both ways.

I can not help the kids who were sexually assaulted, their names are not released for obvious reasons. I even feel bad that this one whose name was released .Now the world knows his medical issues, which is no ones business... he just wanted to be like everyone else, accepted. some will make fun and pick on him for it, now that everyone know. It is how things are, and is not acceptable. perhaps this does serve a purpose in that it is opening up the eyes of many people to a problem that is not white or black, purple or yellow but a problem for everyone. So I help this one and he represents them all to me. Not a colour or religion but a victim of hate based on differences.

It is early morning, still tired... probably lots of typos. Sorry.

 

And to add, the following, to me is the feeling, mentality and actions of a true Canadian. To read on the BLM website about anyone who is white and in a position of power is a white supremest is ignorant and a racist statement. To read on a website about white supremacy on the kkk website is ignorant and a racist statement.

The following Story reflect how people are treated in my home and I expect the same in return. Canada is my home. Any less than that is not the actions of a Canadian or human for that matter, and I will not have a bleeding heart for.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanier_W._Phillips

I saw him in an interview, and the story is heart breaking and heart warming.