Boris - the new scumbag 'nasty party' Leader

Uhm, how will the EU itself interfere there you think? Seems the difficulties will be caused by the UK and/or Ireland and is a direct consequence of the UK leaving and thus voluntarily giving up the perks of being an EU member state.
That Ireland remains an EU country and this will cause more and different issues between your borders can hardly be called EU interference or a fault of the EU.

 

We joined the EU prior to Ireland and their were no issues about the border then. Joining the EU was simple, leaving it is the hard part.
The milk issue has already been discussed. The EU response was. "we will pay Ireland 25 million to pump the milk down the drain, before we will approve a single drop of it being exported to the UK". It was reported that the EU guy (name begins with J) received rapturous applause when he said "now watch the UK squirm like worms and withdraw article 50". On a later interview, Boris was reported as having said. "If I was the UK PM, I would have got up and punched his lights out".

We may have fun in store yet.

Another issue will be with the former Anglo French Airbus.
Since it is now European Airbus, how do we get our 50% back.??? Without an agreement, it will be great fun, since large and crucial parts of all Airbus planes (including much of the electronics) are manufactured in the UK.

The list of problems is endless.

 

And is that the fault of the EU that leaving is so hard?

Source?

I have the suspicion this is not exactly how it went.

Yups, but is that mainly on the EU or the UK?

 

Wil

We have been through this before and I had to correct you back then as well –

We have had our ups and downs with Ireland (there was a trade war in 1930’s) and it had a mainly Protectionist trade policy (with high tariffs on British goods) up to the 1950-60 and we did sign a free trade agreement with Ireland in 1965 but then Ireland joining the EEC at the same time as us in 1973. We would need to have a trade agreement with the EU to have one with Ireland post Brexit.

I can’t find that quote anywhere – can you give me the source? Can you back any of this up with evidence?

Again can you give us the evidence? Again I can’t find the quotes anywhere.

People losing their jobs is fun to you?

It was never an ‘Anglo French’ it was always a consortium

Airbus Industrie was formally established as a Groupement d'Intérêt Économique (Economic Interest Group or GIE) on 18 December 1970. It had been formed by a government initiative between France, West Germany and the UK that originated in 1967. Its initial shareholders were the French company Aérospatiale and the West German company Deutsche Airbus, each owning a 50% share. The name "Airbus" was taken from a non-proprietary term used by the airline industry in the 1960s to refer to a commercial aircraft of a certain size and range, for this term was acceptable to the French linguistically. Aérospatiale and Deutsche Airbus each took a 36.5% share of production work, Hawker Siddeley 20% and the Dutch company Fokker-VFW 7%. Each company would deliver its sections as fully equipped, ready-to-fly items. In October 1971 the Spanish company CASA acquired a 4.2% share of Airbus Industrie, with Aérospatiale and Deutsche Airbus reducing their stakes to 47.9%. In January 1979 British Aerospace, which had absorbed Hawker Siddeley in 1977, acquired a 20% share of Airbus Industrie. The majority shareholders reduced their shares to 37.9%, while CASA retained its 4.2%. -wiki

What are you talking about?

Great fun? It is probably going to cost lots of people there jobs and to you that is ‘great fun’? Like a lot of companies Airbus have warned that they will probably begin transferring the UK arm of the company out of Britain after Brexit and especially in case of a hard Brexit.

Yes - and for NO gain whatsoever.

 

The 'its gonna be (great) fun' remarks are obviously ment sarcastic, Balbus!

If you don't wanna exhaust your convo partners with opposite viewpoints i would leave such stuff out of your (often already lengthy) posts

 

Nah, was sarcasm.. your boring now, with all your rants of what MPs say, what we say... you never really say much else.. but keep drinking the red bull, eating glucose sweets.. it's working.. <like>

 

Asmo

Thanks for the advice, but do you know something, I’m not even sure it is sarcasm.

I’ve talked with a lot of leavers and heard from many more and many of them have expressed a certain glee at what harm might happen because it will upset remainers, liberals, lefties, elites, the establishment, Londoners and multiculturalists.

As in the idea that although leavers know Brexit will cause the UK harm it will cause more pain to those that wanted to remain and they find a certain excitement and joy in that thought.

 

Morrow

Ok let’s get this straight – you are in favour of the NHS as a public body – but you voted for Brexit knowing that the right wing people leading Brexit wanted to privatise the NHS and still knowing this you continue to support them.

Why?

 

Only time will tell
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You seem to be working on the assumption that life in the UK is a bed of roses at the moment, but our standards of living are declining by the week.
Property is unaffordable to most young people setting out and jobs with career prospects are a thing of the past in organisations such as banks.
As large companies are failing, jobs are being cut every month.

All of your points about unemployment clearly show that at the moment the EU are controlling our destiny.
Perhaps we want something better than that.!!!!!!!!

 

Lol No, he's not. Wtf... You have read enough posts of him to know that statement is false.

Why are people saying stuff like this. And do not answer valid questions about their own previous stated claims (like with you about the irish milk matter. And with Morrow about the NHS)? Why?
Hope you both still will.

It's kind of retarded how these convos are going now. And no, its not Balbus convo style; that's merely used as an easy excuse. If you care about discussing this stuff you guys can easily look past that.

 

Wil

You wouldn’t say that if you read my posts I’ve been explaining why things are not a bed of roses for years and here since 2001 - and it all comes back to the neoliberal policies been followed in the UK for the last 30 years.

The same neoliberal polices supported by the same people that pushed hardest for Brexit.

Which is down to a lack of social housing because of neoliberal policies that dictated that councils sell off their social housing and not allow them to build more, it was meant to bring in ‘market forces’ what it did do (which was warned about) was make a few people a lot of money and cause house prices to rise beyond the reach of many.

Many companies are leaving the UK because of Brexit and if Brexit goes ahead it will only get worse.

What are you talking about can you actually explain your thinking?

The problems the UK has been facing are due to the neoliberal policies of successive UK governments not the EU.

How is shooting ourselves in the foot by leaving the EU going to help.

What to change things for the better then get informed and stop supporting the right wing that caused the mess.

 

Asmo

It is often difficult for them to answer questions succinctly because they have the dilemma of contradiction. Many claim to want certain goals but they want to vote for politicians that are opposed to those goals -

They want a well-funded public NHS – but they want to vote for politicians that want to dismantle the NHS

They want affordable housing (which means social housing) - but they want to vote for politicians that are opposed to social housing.

They want better jobs and funded training - but they want to vote for politicians that are opposed to workers’ rights and publically funded training.

I could go on by I hope you can see their problem

The question that I keep wondering about is why they wish to vote for those right wing politicians?

 

It is a very complex subject and I don't claim to have all the answers, but the current situation is clearly unsustainable.

I believe the rot set in, both in Europe and the US as a result of 'one way' trading with China.
Clearly the companies exchange their payment with the banks, leaving them with more western currency than the gold reserves can support.
This has resulted in them investing in property, thus inflating prices and investing in our businesses.
The whole concept of China building and retaining ownership of our nuclear power stations is unbelievable to me, We REALLY do need a competent government.

Strangely enough, for all his goofy ways, I think that Trump has seen the problem. Without doubt this will have rocked the apple cart and made him many of the enemies who spent all their time discrediting him.

 

The right is marketing itself as revolutionary and a change from the status quo. Which I agree, we need.
I just don't agree that those right wing politicians are that.

 

Chinese companies investing in real estate and increasing economical influence in our parts is only one problem. Not sure its also one with priority for the Johnson.

Remember when you made a case in the Brexit thread (forgot the name, it was also a food) about an english product? I have the feeling you were misled about the irish milk issue in a similar way.

 

A lot of voters seem to dig a PM they can identify with humourwise and brawlingwise more than one that makes actual sense. It only has to sound good at first instance it seems and relate to their own mindsets. Not actually hold up to scrutiny. Johnson has repeatedly be proven to twist the truth and also plain simply lie... but hey, its what a certain kind of voter wants to hear. Same with many american citizens and Trump.

 

Well one argument I’ve heard is that these people are for right wing politicians who are actually detrimental to what they claim they want is because of their immigration policy (including the EU migrants).

Because if through propaganda you can convince people that all the problems in society are the fault of migrants and immigrants then it is always easy to distract them from the real reasons.

The NHS is failing not because of underfunding but because of all the migrants that come to the UK to use it.

The reason why there isn’t enough affordable housing is not because of free market policies but because of all the migrant coming here.

The reason for ‘British’ people been unemployment is because all the migrant are doing the work cheaper.

And so on

Thing is that to me it really isn’t that hard to find out the real reasons are right wing policies and not ‘migrants’ or the EU so why are they not finding that out?

 

Ignorance is bliss and since our education establishment gave up teaching a 'rounded' education and instead focused solely on exam results, the youth of today and even stretching back for some 20 - 30 years are politically ignorant !!!

 

Thank you Comrade !!!

 

When Tony Benn was in the cabinet he went to Brussels for the first time. He said that he felt like a slave entering Rome, all the power of his constituents were completely taken from him. He did forsee all those years ago the problems we are witnessing now

 

I knew Tony Benn personally, - the second best Prime Minister we never had (the first was Nye Bevan) !!!