Bradley Manning faces 52 years in jail

Not only has she expressed that he should be pursued in the same manner as a terrorist, but she has connotatively suggested that he is a terrorist, practically guaranteeing that she receives support from the terrified and blinded American herd.

Not only is she gathering support from her new tv show, she's now fighting terrorism by smearing the name of one man in the press. 'Sarah Palin 2012'. I can see the supporters gathering now; their eyes glazed over, the slight trickle of drool running down their chins, bibles clutched firmly in hand with the latest copy of her book in the other hand, "Sarah for president!"

 

Key words here: Governments and Corporations.

I won't argue that Palin didn't say "hang him" because we can both see that isn't true.
I can see that she was connotatively suggesting that he is a terrorist.
If you actually think governments and corporations want him hanged just say so.
If you are just speculating just say so.

 

Since it is arguable that corporations hold sway over certain news content it would be expected that they'd use their influence to kill certain news items that reveal inconvenient truths...

An acquaintance of mine freelances as a photographer for a local newspaper owned by Newhouse Newspapers. Before the '04 elections a memo was sent out to the editorial staff of all the papers under that corporate umbrella that forbade carrying any unfavorable news about the Iraq war until after the polls closed. The corporate ownership clearly favored a conservative editorial stance and used the newspaper to promote its point of view and agenda. The implications of careers hanging in the balance was crystal clear.

Assuming that the big money at the top of the news industry is not going to use its influence to slant the type of information that gets delivered to the masses seems to be a bit naive to me. Forcing newspaper staff to slant things one way or another may seem like a form of censorship unless you look at the issue the way the elites likely see it- the news outlets (print, radio, TV...) are private entities that they own... and as such it is their prerogative to deliver whatever they wish in whatever form they see fit to help craft a particular mind set from the masses.

"Free press" seems to mean that if you own a paper you are free to do with it whatever you wish within certain parameters that are established by the government. Controlling what information gets printed as well as the context in which it is delivered will go a long way in predetermining how the "average Joe" thinks about issues and whether he will be able to furnish hard proof for certain stances. This often leaves as sources of dissenting views, easily discreditable entities, like Alex Jones, and his ilk... which in turn makes it very difficult to credibly document anything that the establishment does not want you to know.

So I find myself left with little more than speculation and the inevitable demands for proof that are likely impossible to honor when I share my feelings on an issue such as this.

 

I never said, "governments and corporations want him hanged." However, some of its representatives obviously do. They, as Ron Paul has shown, do not all feel the same way as Palin. Perhaps she's just trying to go rogue again, though the fact that she speaks out of her ass and not her mouth is a common trait among North American politicians, so I doubt that it is a tactic of her alone. That is, I'm sure there are many who feel the same way as her, we just haven't heard it yet because they have yet to stand up and say it. Can't speak sitting down...

To be honest, I think it's only you who's seeing this discussion under the key words, "governments and corporations." I'm not speaking in the context of what it is I think they feel about Assange, only the individual I've mentioned in my last two posts. One single aspect of the Government Corporation. "Government Corporation" being the key word here, as they're inseparable.

 

Corporate owned news media has political slants that reflect the viewers (supply and demand).
I know this. I have no problem with that.
If you don't like it turn it off.
It's also evident within state owned media too, obviously.
It's also evident to a lesser degree in news media that has regulations stating it has to be impartial (BBC for e.g).
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/broadcasting/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code/impartiality/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/other/century21.shtml
I'd never argue that wasn't self evident.
But you made a specific claim and are now saying it was just speculation on your part.
Ok. fair enough. Understood. Moving on.

 

That's what stinkfoot and I were talking about.
You probably just quoted my last post to make a point not necessarily related to the point we were talking about. Fair enough.

I agree.

Regarding my discussion with stinkfoot, yes I am.
That is what both of us were talking about.

 

Yes

True, fair enough. I just wanted to make it clear that I wasn't stating that governments and corporations in general want to see him hang. I have a feeling many do, but I'm not going to state that without further proof of a general consensus.

 

Ok.

 

I will,

Elected officials in america have called for his death, "murder". These "officials" and I use that word loosely are elected to represent and therefore represent government entities. Is it everybody? no! where ever you got govs and corps at, it didn't say "every" gov and corp. So adding to someones statemant in demanding proof and clarification of a answer is ignorant.

Now, these elected thugs accept money from corporations, "a payoff" to do things in their interests. I don't agree with this, but their criminals so what do you expect?

Ok, half of Tiger Woods sponsors dropped him because they didn't want to endorse,support or agree with his actions.

Therefore, Any corp that continues to fund or give payoff to these elected officials...Are really saying that they agree, support and endorse what the elected officials say. including the murder of...

Heres the formula: elected officials who called for his murder + corporations that give them money = Government and corporations that want to see him hang.

It's really rather clear.

 

I have only heard a few Republicans - who are not in office at the moment remember.
If you can find a few Democrats that have been as lurid I would like to read what they have said.

Have you ever heard "towing the party line"?
I can't remember the Democrats "party line" being for his hanging/murder.
Yes, there will be a few elected officials who have called for his murder, but the vast majority (lets go with 99.9%) who have not.
So, I think it fair to go with the majority way of thinking rather than minority (if I go along with your premise).

I know he didn't mean them all.
I wanted to know which ones.
The US?
Ghana?
Paypal?
"Who?"...that's all I was asking.

Ok find which corp(s) is funding the elected official(s) who have made such comments. I agree with this premise.
But please don't say that a Republican represents "the government"...

 

Now you need Democrats and Republicans, :lol:

the word "government" was used, you even acknowledged a few... just not the right ones i guess. Which Corps? you ask...follow the money! follow the money! start with Halliburton.

as far as "But please don't say that a Republican represents "the government"

I don't even know how to respond to that... except for the 47 in the senate and in 242 the house...don't they count? or do they belong in the back of the bus? Really?

assange and wikileaks doesn't endanger the USA, the behavior of the USA endangers the USA. We the people can change that... and it's got nothing to do with assange or wikileaks. Vote! be aware of where your money goes! Vote with your dollar for real change! That applies to any and every country.

 

Only Democrats, really. I'm saying the Democrats are in Government.

So Haliburton have backed a few elected representatives that have called for this mans murder/hanging? Or are you making another point now?

With your logic any company making any donation to any party or elected representative is calling for the hanging/murder of this man merely because - by your logic - all elected officials are in Government.
To me that is ridiculous.

So the elected representatives that aren't calling for his murder/hanging are to be ignored and don't represent "the government"?

Please, make your logic work and be consistent.

 

Just to touch base on Manning, Charge him or let him go. Do some research on whats happening to him. It's Bullshit. We have Laws, Those behind his treatment and detention need to be charged with obstruction of justice for starters. They won't proceed because they don't have shit on him. Those who are crying traitor need to better research and understand this. regardless of what was done, we don't detain people for 8 months locked in a cell 23 hours a day trying to force a confession out of. We arrest, Charge and move to trial... they need to prove what he did was illegal, they can't... neither can any of you! if you can? you need to contact the feds and tell them your their man!

 

If it comes down to it, as has been demonstrated many times in history, all the people need is the indifference of the military to stand against the government.

 

Yes- but has the government labeled citizens who dare stand up against it terrorists? Kinda like smearing blood on something to get dogs to attack and devour.... and something I doubt our government is above doing. Just deploy troops who are from another part of the country... perhaps select soldiers who harbor negative prejudices against an area to be deployed to counter any indigenous protest movement. People aren't likely to mobilize in any significant numbers yet- not enough are sufficiently pissed off. Too many think they have too much to lose and won't risk it.

 

This is the dawning of the day of individual power. Thank you, WWW

witness the warnings sent out in wake of the attack on wikileaks.
One arrest-- a 16 year-old kid.
One smart guy with $9.98 can do anything the government can do with a million dollars.

i've spent my life labeled as a subversive outlaw-- FBI file and everything.
yet i've had a class one security clearence as a nuclear power tech during that time.
Makes you wonder, don't it?

they ain't near as smart as they think they are.

if professional smugglers decided to put-- anything-- on a plane, there ain't a damn thing the gov and TSA could do about it.

thank god muslims are blinded by faith.

But I'll tell you someting; those of us who are not blinded by myth and belief are devastaing indeed.

 

Democrats and Republicians are BOTH in government, they "all both" have a chance to vote on every bill however they wish.

"all elected officials are in Government.
To me that is ridiculous."

do you understand how it works? So, Elected officials aren't government?

If you give money to something, and then they do or say something stupid, and you continue to fund them... you are endorsing them. Sports figures lose sponsors all the time over this.

Haliburton, theres NO other point. You must not know anything about them...

I give up... you don't even understand the basics. Your understandings of how it works is flawed.

 

If you ask 100% of the people on this forum who is "in government" in the USA, they will say: "The Democrats".
Forget that, ask stinkfoot who is "in government".
It is likely he will say: "The Democrats".
I'm positive your government works like our government and most democracies...people vote a particular party "in government".
Not 3 or 2 but 1.

Some are.

Yes, I know this.
I'm disputing your notion the Democrats and the Republicans are "in government" in the sense they are the "government".

I do know about them.
I'm just questioning what relevance they have in this conversation.

 

He should be freed. Any punishment worth giving him has already been accomplished at Quantico Prison. My uncle spent time there. Not fun, so he says. And he is a tough guy image, unlike this poor kid.