Brexit

This seems to be a common feeling among those that voted to leave. That somehow they are sticking it to the man and they are now free. It's just silly the EU as it currently is not the new world order dystonia that some people think it is. Does a system like that have the possibility to be that? Yes for sure. But when the day for that comes Britain using the pound over the Euro or anything else they think gives them sovereignty means nothing.

When you buy into all this isolationist anti-immigrant anti global community belief system you are doing what the elite want. Fear is how rights are taken away. Not from the bureaucracy of the EU. They will present the solution to the problem they themselves caused. The Syrian refuges were supposed to create the chaos they have. And that was a major issue in this election.

In the past few years I have seen the world turn into something I never thought I would see. I only read about this type of hatred in history books. But it's too late now. With things like Trump and the Brexit people feel for the lie we are divided and therefor weak. The power of the proletariat lies in numbers. Now instead of being a team we will blame everyone else for each and every false flag. It's the same trick that has been played since the beginning with religion and any other wedge issue. As long as fight ourselves we don't fight them and we could beat them together. They know this.

 

Usually it takes a lot more than 24 hrs before people begin regretting their vote.

 

The word is DYSTOPIA.

And YES, it is the dystopia some many people think it is. But then again, many people don't see a dystopia for what it is until it's too late. The people in control work via incrementalism. Things are done little by little until they reach their goal, as to not have too many people catch on. The fact is the EU is an overbloated and unaccountable bureaucracy lead by globalists that has destroyed national sovereignty with supranational laws and regulations that have brought upon much hurt to many.

The isolationism and anti-immigration views are a direct response to the current agenda where a country such as the UK is deliberately flooded with waves of unchecked immigration. The fear comes from the government which uses terrorism to pass laws and scare the population into submission. The UK is a total police state thanks to the terrorist threat, as the British government, via the EU, allows scores of people with extremist ideologies into the country unimpeded.

 

Do you have any kind of convincing source that these refugees were send deliberately and only to countries like the UK in order to destabilize the country, Pressed Rat?
Im just curious what made you so certain that its like that.

Good point. They only have statistics about the turn up and it seems the majority of young british voters didn't even vote. So these comments about how the older voters are ruining it for the next generation is slightly off. The next generation (well those who were allowed to vote anyway) apparently felt it was too busy with other things

 

New word in the English language [SIZE=14pt]Bregret[/SIZE] – regretting voting for Brexit.

Listening to the radio and watching the TV there seems to be two main themes, outer politicians unable to say what they will do now, except to say it will not be the things many outers voted for and outers regretting what they did.

This is a mess

So what now? Well we can’t all go to Scotland (a relative that was moving to Italy has had to put their plans on hold) and wouldn’t that be a cop out anyway, I like living here and I think me and others like me need to stay and fight for it, because things are going to get worse, and I’m not going to say ‘before they get better’ because I’m not sure if that’s true, things are going to get worse, we have to say and try and stop it going absolutely catastrophic.

 

I think a lot of people, young and old, have lost all confidence in the political system here. I include myself in that category, even though I do always vote. Many who voted out did so as a protest against Cameron's government. Sadly, their vote won't lead to anything but more of the same.

What this country needs is a massive shake up of the entire system. The government we'll get post Brexit will just be more of the same, probably a bit worse. Prime Minister Boris is a real possibility. The opposition are now in complete turmoil, so if they have another election later in the year, it'll be almost certainly another Conservative win.
Since they're the ones who've imposed 6 years of austerity on ordinary people, it's very hard to see how anyone other then the elites will get any benefit at all. Permanent austerity is a real possibility, along with a further shredding of human rights, workers rights, environmental protection and the rest.

So whilst conspiracy theorists may applaud Brexit, for the Brits it's only going to lead to more problems. And I hope Soros is wrong - I hope this isn't step 1 in the breakup of the EU.

 

From a very different end of the spectrum than Soros, Yanis Varoufakis sees a danger of a similar outcome.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/brexit-britain-disintegrating-eu-yanis-varoufakis

 

My comment about moving to Scotland was an immediate reaction to the wave of despair that hit me Friday morning. For one thing, I don't much fancy the idea of Scots weather, so I expect I'll be remaining

In principle I agree we have to fight on - but I'm really not sure what exactly can be done. I've moved my support away from Labour after the election and switched to the Greens - who campaigned for a remain vote but wanted to reform the EU. Even though we're still waiting for a 'green surge' (3rd place in the London Mayoral election was ok - but nowhere near enough), I don't think this will change my mind, as Labour seem busy ensuring that they will continue to be un-electable. I wonder if they can really hope to present any kind of unity given the deep divisions and back stabbing we're seeing at present.

The left, of red or green hue, need to unite and come up with a real alternative.

 

Well, what you (I, we) read is usually mostly bullshit.

But, I meant, many/most that voted to leave now regret that vote?....thats bullshit

 

The EU is only 23 years old, for some younger europeans that means growing up not knowing life without the EU.

"absolutely catastrophic" what on earth are you talking about? Plenty of other countries in the world that do far better than EU member countries, that dont need to be in such a union.

You sound like you think the world is going to end, A lot of the media seems to carry on that way too

You are only really talking about a trade agreement, you are in with underperforming countries like greece, italy, a half dozen others and a few 2nd world countries.

Even the currency slide today (first real day after the vote ) wasnt that big a fall, just panic selling, it'll jump back up probably within a week

What the hell are you all going on about?

The rest of us dont need any lame regional union

2 months from now nothing will really have changed, everyone will start to forget about Brexit, then you can all focus on Y2K

 

Hi Bill

Oh it wasn’t a dig at you – myself and most of my friends said the same thing someone even commented that if all the people she’d heard say it (on bus, down pub, in supermarket, as well as her friends) that the house prices in Edinburgh will be as bad as those in London.

But this both my wife and me having Scottish ancestry (but high up the family tree) we are keeping that option open although my wife leans more toward Ireland.

And can I say that you have been arguing very eloquently over the weekend while I mostly spent it moping around been annoyingly depressed, getting miserably drunk or putting up IKEA furniture. And my daughter is sick and tired of me hugging her and saying sorry.

I switched to the Greens even before Blair took us into the Iraq war, I’ve lapsed at the moment (childcare took precedence).

Watching this car wreak within the political system its getting more difficult to be optimistic about England/Wales at the moment - Conservatives divided and most likely moving even further to the right (and UKIP and other far right parties in the wings) Labour divided and possibly going the SDP route and splitting, the Liberal party a busted flush, the Greens honourable but without popular support.

I agree

The thing is that in many respects the damage is done, we can’t get back into Europe, they are simply not going to let us even if we had a very pro-europe party in power, Scotland I think is now lost even if England went left wing and the immigration genie is out of the bottle and the BNP recruiters know exactly where to go.

 

We don't deal with conspiracy theories in this section. How many times do I need to say it?

Every conspiracy person has what they consider to be proof. Asking about it just encourages them.

 

Van

The idea of European Union goes back to the 1940’s with ‘ever closer union’ goes back to the 1950’s, the UK joined the project in 1973, the EU set up in 1993 was the most recent ‘naming’ but it wasn’t the beginning, maybe you should do a bit of research

Oh dear you really haven’t got it have you.

We have to see where the fluctuation go but it’s the long term that’s the problem, and NOT just economic that I and others are worried about - maybe you should go back and read a few of the posts in the thread, before you comment.

 

Lolz, the 1940s?

What European Union of the 1940s are you talking about? The Third Reich?

 

But seriously, Balbus, tell us

Especially we Australians and Americans, the Canadians as well too I suppose


What the hell are you all talking about? England will collapse because you are not going to get stuck bailing out Greece's economy for the next 50 years

????

 

Ever heard of Winston Churchill? He promoted the EU concept. Try reading a book now and then, instead of laughing so hard at those who do.

I'll bet you've never heard of the League of Nations, the first (failed) attempt at the United Nations concept. All three organizations were efforts to prevent future wars of devastating magnitude and unimaginable loss of life.

 

My ancestry is mixed - British/Irish/French. Maybe one reason I've always been a strong supporter of European unity. I would have liked to stay in and work to reform the EU. Thanks for the thumbs up anyway - I'm getting calmer now, but I've been pretty worked up over the weekend.

Yes - the damage is done. The turkeys voted for christmas. And I think your right that Scotland is now lost. An upsurge of the far right is certainly a possibility, and in the long term? There are some very depressing predictions out there, like the piece I posted earlier from Yanis Varoufakis. Could Europe go back to the way it was in the 30's? If Brexit were to lead to a domino effect, something like that could be possible.
For the UK in the short to medium term- uncertainty, probably deeper into recession. Much as I dislike the City of London, if the investment banks were to relocate to Frankfurt, it would come close to a death blow given how much we rely on tax receipts from the financial sector, at a time when industry is contracting, global markets are stagnant, and the future for UK exports is far from clear.

Had a ride in a taxi earlier driven by a Polish driver. He seemed nervous, but cheered up a bit when I told him I voted remain, and that for me, people like him are welcome and make a valuable contribution to our country.

 

Van

Oh you didn’t know WWII ended in 1945? Sorry I didn’t know you were that ignorant about European history. as I say I think you need to do a bit of research

This is pretty simple -
http://europeanhistory.about.com/od/governmentandlaw/a/europeanunionhist.htm

 

It's ironic, but Boris Johnson, one of the leaders of the leave campaign seems to think of himself as a Churchill like figure. Sadly he's delusional - There's a movement now in the conservative party to 'stop Boris' - stop him becoming the next PM. We ordinary folks don't get any say in that, but I think it would be a disaster.

We need a joined up world with very strong international co-operation if we are to deal with the challenges that lie ahead. This rise of nationalism is toxic, and who knows where it could lead.

 

Bill

And as much as I dislike the City of London myself I think that Scotland should make a play for the financial sector, Edinburgh was the home of Adam Smith.