Brexit

tee hee hee

 

There really does seem to be a monkey wrench in the media system at the moment – see no bad, hear no bad, speak no bad.

It seems like anybody giving any warning about the likely adverse effects of Brexit however well founded is labelled a scare monger by the right wing press and leave pundits.

Sometimes I feel like I’m on the deck of the Titanic pointing at the approaching iceberg and all around me people are going “oh that’s good we’ll have plenty of ice for our gin and tonics” “I love skiing” or “isn’t it pretty I hope we can get closer” while the captain screams ‘FULL SPEED AHEAD’

I mean we are now stuck with this possible disaster but we could mitigate its effects if we heed the warnings and do something about it but instead all we get is plan-less un-thought through daydreams about how great things are going to be.

 

Yes, and the way it's going the pound sterling will probably sink to parity with the Euro any day. So higher prices for basic commodities and food will continue.

They really don't seem to have a realistic plan. Just Mrs. Bossy Boots and her new crew with their inane rhetoric, whilst European leaders are saying it's all or nothing, and that no 'special' deals will be forthcoming. And I don't blame them.

Difference between this and the Titanic is that those in command will be the one's to get on the lifeboats, whilst the rest of us sink into the icy waters of oblivion.

 

and it all happens on land, not at sea

 

To continue the Titanic metaphor -

As the ship went down, the rats scuttled away.

From the Guardian: 'Brexit:Leading Banks Set to Pull Out of the UK Early next Year'.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/22/leading-banks-set-to-pull-out-of-brexit-uk

 

Ah well. That should save us a fair bit of money in Baillouts over the next few years then.

 

Fear not - we are Brits - Whatever adversity we have to face - we deal with it .... albeit , slowly , but - ... surely(?)

 

What about this Then ? from your own Link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/oct/21/chrystia-freeland-frustrated-failure-eu-canada-trade-deal-video

The EU are wankers Why Should we want to be in it ?

 

The dip in the GBP since the start of october has been mirrored in the EUD

I wouldnt read too much into it, more about Global economics than Brexit

 

Fuck the bankers and the exchange rate system, it's all bullshit. It's a con to make money for the bankers.

How much is this currency worth? How much is that currency worth?

I'll tell you how much they're all worth. Fuck. All.

 

It's a con to make money for bankers. Exactly.

Saying currency is worth fuck all is both true and false. Worth fuck all because fiat money is base largely on debt. 90 something percent of GDP in the case of the UK. Worth something if I take it to the shops. Less than it used to be, and probably much less in the future.

 

Northern Ireland is split as much as Scotland now as to whether we want to be in the UK and the EU.

Some guy was talking on the radio today from NI about the good friday agreement and how the people of NI should accept the popular will of the people of NI to stay in the union. Then he went on to say he would do anything to make sure NI stays in the EU, because the majority of people in NI voted to remain.

Typical yoon. Wants to remain in the UK but when it comes to individual referenda he doesn't want to accept the overall UK will of the people!

Which the fuck is it, you want to be part of a United Kingdom or not ya numpty.

 

Boris is using it now! I wonder if he's actually seen the film or knows the story................

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/brexit-will-be-titanic-success-says-boris-johnson

 

So now the UK High Court has ruled that parliament needs to vote on wether they can start the Brexit process.

Meaning that the referendum was useless? Can somebody please explain this bullshit to me?

 

Whatever bullshit it is, it's the kind of bullshit that could trigger an early election which means there's a chance we might get a chance to boot that old fucking hag out of 10 D and get Jezzer in instead.

 

Quick expo - the govt say they'll go ahead and trigger the process of leaving the EU without Parliament voting on it. Those at top table want to do the deal and not give MPs a say. This has been challenged in the high court, and the challenge was upheld. But it's by no means the end because the govt say they will appeal to the supreme court who could overturn the decision.

It doesn't overturn the result of the referendum - it's more about how much say MPs get in the actual process. Although personally I'd like to stay in the EU, I don't think this makes it any more likely.

 

I kinda got that part .... but I still don't get it. The people vote in the referendum. They say Brexit. To leave the EU article 50 must be invoked. So just do it.

If the MPs get to vote on it then what good is a referendum?

 

I think it's all a big mess, but it's about the terms under which we leave the EU really. Some want a 'hard brexit' - where we leave the EU and also loose access to the European single market, a complete divorce. Others want to try to negotiate to stay in the single market whilst still leaving the EU. 40% of UK exports currently go to Europe.

It might have been better if they'd had some kind of plan prior to the referendum of how to proceed if the brexiteers won, but they really didn't. Probably because Cameron was conceited, had won an election 12 months previously,and felt assured the vote would be to remain. Now they're just spouting rhetoric and making it up as they go along, whilst European leaders are leaning towards a hard line in any negotiations.

MPs generally don't like to be overpassed, and this is a pretty crucial issue, so they want to debate it at every step. Some in the remain camp would like to see the result of the vote reversed.
No doubt the squabbling will go on and on. If they put it to a vote in Parliament - who can say?

 

So I did some reading on this stuff and it's un - fucking - believable. It appears that referendums in the UK are not legally binding since parliament is sovereign.

And I always thought the Brits to be quite intelligent.

 

It's a dysfunctional mess. However, May and her cronies are treating the referendum vote as binding.

Personally, I think referenda are not a good idea, and this one was all about internal division in the Conservative party over Europe. The real problems this will lead to haven't even begun yet.