Brexit

Morrow

For fuck sake man this is all been covered LOL no wonder you think the leavers haven’t said anything you haven’t read their posts.

As already explained I want to remain because leaving will have an adverse effect on the country, why if you claim you like this country do you wish to harm it?

Comfortable is good hardship is not so why wish for hardship?

What do we gain from leaving other than pain, what?

But again as explained leaving the EU would bring change but change for the bad, why not try and work to change things for the better?

What do you actually mean by that?

Only because wealth has grabbed so much from others pots to put it in their own. The richest 1% of people in the UK own more than twenty times the wealth of the poorest 20% in the UK.

Why? Most at the moment are leaving because of the threat of Brexit.

The right wing leaders of Brexit want to dismantle the NHS and many of them have worked to try and stave the NHS of funds and supported the unnecessary policies of austerity.

How many times do I have to point out and explain that the reason we don’t have enough social housing is because of 30 years of right wing policies

The same right wingers that are pushing the hardest for Brexit it is them that are your real enemy not the EU.

And who are these foreigners, can you describe them?

What are you on about because of neoliberal policies most of the companies in the UK are foreign owned

The same neoliberals pushing most for Brexit. Many analysts think that many foreign funds are just waiting for the Brexit financial chaos to pick up British companies on the cheap.

Give it a go – for fuck sake this is important not a flutter on a horse.

You watch RT you get your news and views from Russian Television? You do now that Putin wants Brexit and is responsible for a lot of anti-EU propaganda don’t you?

And the rivers of blood speech, really – what black people are coming here from the EU?

I WANT CHANGE – but you are supporting those that want a lot more of the very things you claim to not like.

They want to destroy the NHS

They want less social housing

They want more inequality

They don’t care if leaving causes the complete destruction of UK farming and manufacturing.

Yet you are giving them your support, why?

 

Glen

And again i ask you why do you like the post?

Have you any thoughts of your own, anything?

 

Clutching For Straws......Grasping Yet Again For A Confrontation...???....My Post Was "Crystal Clear"....

I Have Nothing More To Add.....Have A Nice Day......



Cheers Glen.

 

Bal... your full of questions, no answers.. you actually add nothing, .. your one sided and get mad no one agrees with you. You actually sound like Tories.. goodbye, have a nice day..

 

Same way all your points have been covered ( for fucks sake ) and why does nobody believe you ?
Serious question ! What do you do for employment ?

 

Glen

Oh calm down man

I was just asking why you like the post and you clearly haven’t an answer

And what post are you going on about?

 

Mal

No they haven’t how do you think lying helps you?

We could go through that stupid dance again where I ask you to say where these points are supposed to be covered but then you will have to make up some excuse why you can’t actually produce anything like you have NEVER been able to do.

 

Morrow

LOL you mean I’ve not added anything that you couldn’t answer or address in the past.

I live in hope that one day a leaver will come along who can debate honestly.

Most of the people pushing Brexit are right wingers – again why are you supporting tem when for example they would happily destroy the NHS?

 

I Was Responding To The Post You Were Referring To.....Simple As.....



Cheers Glen.

 

Do you mean the way you are evasive when asked a simple question or saying peoples concerns dont really matter because YOU don't mind ! fuck everyone else ?
What's your job ?

 

Migrants

OK so migrants have come up again.

Well first up

Things that are the fault of right wing political policies not migrants

Lack of social housing

Cuts in benefits

More people using food banks

The crisis in the NHS

Cuts in Social Services

Cuts in education

Lack of investment in jobs and training

Crumbling infrastructure

The trains not running on time.

Again NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE THE FAULT OF MIGRANTS

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Black and Brown people

Someone mentioned Enoch Powell’s rivers of blood speech that was about ‘commonwealth immigrates’ now putting aside the racism claims..

The thing is that the EU has absolutely nothing to do with immigration into the UK from outside the EU that is totally under the control of the UK government.

Yes we do have migration from non-EU countries usually linked to the UK by the historical ties of Empire, the biggest groups are Indian and Pakistani, (of Hindi and Muslim backgrounds) and to repeat this migration is unaffected by EU entry.

But many analysists believe that if the number of immigrants coming from EU countries drop then the numbers from outside the EU are likely to rise.

Now it doesn’t bother me because I’m a multiculturalist.

Muslims

Now in another discussion someone did mention the Muslims, well again most of the UK's Muslims hail from Pakistani and Bangladeshi not from the EU.

The majority of people coming in from Europe are white and by the way of a Christian background, the Polish and Irish topping the list.

And again the number of those coming to work from Pakistani and Bangladeshi is likely to increase if we don’t get the migrant workers we need to keep the economy going from the EU, so the result of leaving the EU could mean say less Christian Poles and more Muslim Pakistanis

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Cost

As pointed out above migrants are not at fault for the problems with public assistance in the UK that is manly down to the politicians that want Brexit.

In fact migrants from outside and inside the EU contribute to the UK economy

The average European migrant arriving in the UK in 2016 will contribute £78,000 more than they take out in public services and benefits over their time spent in the UK (assuming a balanced national budget), and the average non-European migrant will make a positive net contribution of £28,000 while living here. By comparison, the average UK citizen’s net lifetime contribution in this scenario is zero.

 

Mally Asked A Question......A Reply Is Called For....



Cheers Glen.

 

Glen

Well here its moderator of the Politic Forum

I do find it hilarious that the very people that answer very few questions or even none are the ones that get all huffy that others should answer theirs

I mean you seem to be putting forward to the question why did you like something the answer I liked it.

So to the question what is my job – it’s my job.

 

Mal

Depends on the question when it’s about the subject of the thread or politics viewpoints, I’m happy to answer and do

You not so much

As to your concerns – you don’t seem able to explain what they are or why you have them. If you would just try and do so we might find out if they are valid or not as is they don’t seem valid because you can neither explain them nor back them up in any rational way.

I love my country and the people in it and I don’t understand why hard leavers want to hurt it and its people.

 

So to recap

Leavers want to leave because of they don’t like cuts in Public Service.

But Public Services have been adversely effected by UK right wing political polices that have NOTHING to do with the EU.

Leavers want to leave because of they think migration is a threat

But EU migration to the UK seems to be beneficial to the UK economy

Leavers want to leave because of the adverse EU laws imposed on the UK

But no leaver seems able to cite any of these adverse laws let alone explain why they are detrimental to the UK.

Leavers want to leave to ‘take back control’ because of ‘sovereignty’ and ‘loss of identity’

But no leaver seems able to explain what those things are or actually mean or why the leaving the EU will help.

 

Only in your mind !
why don't you want to tell me what you do for a job it is relevant
I am a Mechanic in a carpet factory in the north of england !! my opinion is based on how being in the EU affects my Life !
What do you do for a living ?

otherwise don't fucking preach to me or call me ignorant again

 

I have come to the conclusion that this guy is just a wind up merchant Mal.
I think he is supposed to be a so called Super Moderator of the political section.

How on earth did he get that bastard job?
I think he should start by moderating his bastard self!

 

I should never have come back to this thread ! Done here now its toxic

 

Yes mate.
Made like that in the main because of just one person.
Ruined the bastard thread he has with his endless monologues and quotes and questions.
If this is the way he is out in the real world I think he has a mental problem such as OCD and should seek help.

That comment is not meant as an insult or be patronising at all by the way.
I am merely just trying to help and give an observation as I see it.
Take it or leave it.

Best regards.

Kenny