bs trip reports

Aliens and Devine beings are from a distant future, where we have evolved mutated and understand time travel. They first had to go back to prehistoric times to "jump start" our evolution here on earth but now they just fuck with us after we eat paper.

 

I think it's apparent that many people have experienced them, so let me prompt a question. Can you pass a message to your cat that can than be relayed to someone else? Same applies in the reverse, can your cat relay a message to you that can be relayed to other cats? Even at a mammalian level this is incredibly difficult to do.

I certainly am not 100% convinced they are autonomous entities, but I'm saying in the Dmt realm they convincingly take on that quality, as where like something like LSD I've yet to have that 'break' where I have difficulty relaying the presence of something else than to my own self, or at least it's not as overtly convincing where I've really mulled it over. Although even on LSD there seems to be a quality of a unique dimension that I am being integrated with.

The mistake I see so often with what you're saying and what other's say that have experienced them and even believe them to be autonomous is that you try to relate the interaction with entities to intelligible English (human) language so that is to say that you should be able to fully conversate with them and I don't believe that to be accurate at all. Perhaps there are brief moments of understanding in the same way you can understand when your cat wants to go outside but there is not a full understanding of the language they convey.

Same goes back to animals, many people have debated whether animals have 'personalities' for ever while you may not perceive as such, others may perceive they do. I definitely have experienced DMT entities having personalites, usually of which don't seem to correlate with my feelings, emotions, or anything remotely subconscious that the sense of I is feeling during the trip as well, which help plays into their perception of being autonomous. Yet I don't really feel a deep sense of connection to them either, they feel sort of foreign and well alien...

 

All of our brain waves together form some sort of hyperconciousness.
Has anyone ever came out of a intense part of a trip just to look over and all your mates are touching down again at the same time? Like you all just rode the same wave that spiked you're everything hallucinations?

 

^^^sorta like if you all took the same substance at the same time?

hahahah, i have that same internal arguement each time as well! my conscious mind decides beforehand that i should smoke as much as i can...remember to take another hit. but once the effects start kicking in, it's like some other part of my mind convinces me each time that i've had enough, and after that it become physically hard to actually take another hit, but maybe only physically hard because it's nearly impossible mentally.

i was gonna respond to the rest of your post, but i think GB did a fine job indeed.

...maybe they did have a personality, and you just didn't get to know them, CAN'T get to know them in such a short time, and that's assuming that you WOULD be able to understand something like that. going off GB's cat example, we can't even communicate with gorillas that well, at least not if you were thrown into a room with one for ~5 minutes. you wouldn't get much of a sense of it's personality.

i've always got the sensation that something is observing me. and the one time when i "saw" or imagined entities, they seemed annoyed at my sudden presence. they chose (without language or hesitation) one to look after me.
they seemed really busy with something else, and not very interested in me.

 

I wonder if they are the cats or gorillas, or if we are. Maybe we are more like slugs, living in a limited world of time and space, with an inability to understand things beyond it.

I see where you guys are coming from, but for me it's still mostly an awe at how powerful our minds are to create what we experience on DMT. I could be led to believe either though.

(The passing-a-message concept wasn't so much a way for someone to prove something, although it certainly would. It was more the question of whether you believe the entities are the same entities other people have seen. Or if they are personal guides, like a guardian angel type of thing, that others don't ever have contact with.)

I wonder why some have a tendency to see it as coming from the mind, evolution, and/or archetypes while others see it more as external, spirit-ual, and/or higher beings. For me, it's almost like I desire to see it as more like spirits than I do, but it just doesn't come to me that way.

Either way, the DMT experience is testament to the idea that there is a lot more out there than we regularly realize. I don't see how it can not be considered proof of that, no matter where it's originating.

 

Does it follow then that your experiences with Jesus Christ and other mystical Christian experiences should be chalked up to your mind and subconscious presenting unresolved issues to your conscious mind?

 

that's what i believe as well. i was just playing devil's advocate for the other viewpoint

 

so you believe the devil exists?

 

When you are sober, it is a cliché. When you are tripping, it is an obvious universal truth (To me at least, but we are one, so... )

I didn't read everything in the thread, but the question that struck me when I read the OP was: Why would people go to such lengths to impress people on the Internet?

Then; Wow, you guys must have made some impression that people want to impress you and could maybe even take it as a compliment.

 

The reason why there is such a question of this information is inside or outside of you, is because the information that comes seems to be something of greater then you alone. Information from the FUTURE, information from the far PAST, information that is completely alien, information that would have to come from either from somewhere else, or from a greater sense of SELF. The body might be individual, but minds cross in the ethereals somewhere, as the collective unconscious, these are greater then individual events.

For shits and giggles...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crVV7mFBfBg"]TERENCE MCKENNA - UFO: The Inside Outsider - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cooYmvDU4nM&feature=relmfu"]Terence McKenna: UFO - The Inside Outsider - 4/6 - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrgveoEVuq4&feature=relmfu"]The Definitive UFO Tape (Terence McKenna) [FULL] - YouTube

 

Just to clarify, I think when some say cliché, they mean a term or word that is used so much that it loses meaning. In that sense, it's more about semantics than something deeper.

So, you can have a very meaningful and deep experience, but then describe it using clichés, which doesn't make for a great trip report.

 

Not necessarily. Any experiences that I personally have had that could be considered "mystical Christian" were completely without any psychedelic or other mind altering substances/practices, so there's that.

Nor were they of the same "flavor" or type as one has during a psychedelic session.
Some of the experiences I have had were definitely sourced from outside of myself, unlike all of my psychedelic experiences, which I could clearly, at the time of occurrence and afterwards, see the internal source of the experience.

Whether there are really entities that can only be perceived while under the influence of something like DMT, I honestly don't know. I have yet to try DMT, so don't have the experiential knowledge to speak about it.

What I do know from my experiences with other psychedelics and "Christian mysticism" (for lack of a better, less politically charged term) is that
1) They are as different as night and day, though there are aspects common to both.
2) I have never encountered or had the impression of being influenced or acted upon by something "other than me" during a psychedelic session.
Can't confidently say the same for my "Christian" experiences.
Quite frankly, some of those experiences scared the living shit out of me.

 

So you are trying to explain unfocusedanakin's friend's DMT experience by something you yourself have no experience with, it's pretty much the same as me trying to explain your "Christian Mystical" experience with which I have no experience with. I could sit here and say it's unresolved mental issues, aberrations in mental processing that basically equate to a mental mirage, so on and so forth but I'm sure no matter what most people would say to you it wouldn't convince you because of your direct experience. It's quite a similar concept with psychedelic mystical experiences, and DMT's entities and realms are quite different than say Salvia Divinorum's entities and realms, which are different than LSD, so different psychedelics have different "flavors" as well.

And unlike your Christian mystical experience we actually have an irrefutable outside tangible source in the DMT itself...

 

As to the whole idea that trip reports are fake for lack of emotional detail....

I tend to explain tangible feelings. The mental parts can be going a million miles a minute, quite hard to describe, and often (if this makes any sense) a general feeling, but not so exact as "we are one" feelings, all that...... "mental jaw clenching", I'd say...... Feels good though.

Anyway, I have a tendency to describe things that lend themselves to words, before worrying about the more personal aspects, that are probably less meaningful to other people.

I mean, if I meet satan, that's describable.... but feelings that I don't understand myself, other than having felt something new and feeling like I understand life, MY life, and my brain a bit better and more fully, are just hard, if not futile, to describe.

 

I definitely agree with this. I've never seen a trip report that I suspected to be fake. I can't imagine why anyone would put forth the effort to document something that didnt happen. Some people are just better at describing their trip. I can honestly say that its an extremely difficult thing to do. Psychedelic trips seem to transcend language.

 

Cliches really come up because of lack of words. A more articulate person has a better advantage at explaining their experience and stepping away from cliches.

That one Alan Watts' trip report is excellent example of a well described trip. He gives a detailed explanation for the physical as well as the mental, and went into the realms of the spiritual enlightenment of it too. He explained from both angles...

His vocabulary is far more vast then most peoples, especially in the realms of consciousness and the science of the body/mind system, so he was able to produce a very in depth report.

A lot of cliche is also that you think what you say is significant, because its your experience, and when type it you feel like your getting it through, but then when people read it you only get the words out of it, and not quite the experience. You say I felt a oneness because you actually felt a oneness, and everyone that is too far away from the experience says oh yea that ol' oneness feelin haha.

Its like you say there was beings made of light, and everyone says oh yea yea beings made of light, go on... and you say no no, celestial organism made of some primordial lights substance... and they say oh yea primordial ooze, its old... and you say NO NO your not listening... they were light beings of a higher intelligence and benevolence, they danced inside of my soul and took it through a high paced evolutionary process... we watched the whole universe play out from beginning to end, we were in the minds of everyone who ever lived, we saw the workings of the inner cosmos... we witnessed the creation of time through oscillations of the primordial sound through space, and then I was returned to my body at the end of all this and it was laying a pool of cosmic ecstasy..... and they say "ooooh so you were feeling the acid then, you had a pretty good trip?" .... and thats about the point where you rip your hair out and say, "fuckit everything was one, and the colors were delightful!"

 

Somehow OP thought this was so "ignorant" that it deserved a neg rep.

He was butthurt that I successfully argued against his pedophilic tendencies in the thread where he said he should be able to marry 13 year olds.

 

^That's ok. Remember everything on this forum is internet bullshit and none of it is important.

 

some people just take LSD for fun.