Bullies

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Hotwater

 

Because it speaks the truth and goes against your sensibilities



hotwater

 

This is one of the most intense and beautiful film footage on bullying

Get your tissues ready

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpMc4ta6XAw"]SUICIDAL KID! Stop Bullying! - YouTube

 

I like that you actually speak your mind, knowing that shit will be thrown at you.

As long as it might help prepare kids for real world, I think it is too brutal to be acceptable in society. And too many people are actually screwed for rest of their lives.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF0zefuJ4Ys"]The Fray - How to save a life (lyrics) - YouTube

 

I was only bullied one year, by one person, but he bullied me every single day and absolutely made that year a living hell. I never told a soul. I didn't tell my mom, my teacher, or my friends (he never did it in front of my friends). Most of the time the bullying isn't going to take place in front of a teacher or authority figure so its hard to catch on unless the child being bullied comes forward.

I think bullying can be much worse when the person isn't getting any positive affirmation at home. I was surrounded by a lot of love in my family, and even as a 5th grader I sensed there was something wrong with this guy and not something wrong with me. He would tell me awful things about myself, and it messed with my self esteem but when I came home every day and received so much positivity from my family it was hard for it to effect me on a deep enough level to cause real emotional issues.

Something I want to instill in my son one day - people are taught to be mean. If someone is mean to you, its probably because someone was mean to them. How deep do authority figures delve when bullying is reported? Do they make an effort to connect with the bullier as well as the bullied?

It was hard for me to identify and feel sorry for the guy bullying me back then - I knew there was something wrong with him to be so mean but I didn't think about it on a deeper level. Looking back he was probably one fucked up kid with a really bad home life. If I were the teacher and this had been reported I would want to look into his home situation and try to find the root of his anger.

 

Kids have always been bullied at school. It's nothing new. What is new is the issue that is suddenly being made of it, when before it was just part of growing up for some people. It seems like there is a campaign against everything these days.

I don't condone bullying, and think people who get off on making other people feel bad are pathetic, but not everyone who gets bullied decides to commit suicide because of it. I think there are other underlying issues when a person commits suicide other than simply because they were bullied. Otherwise a lot more kids would be killing themselves since bullying is quite commonplace.

 

one of my best friends has learning difficulties.

i met him three years ago - he was getting out of a taxi with a bunch of dickheads

they left him with the fare walking into the pub they were outside

giving him the finger and telling him to fuck off in the process.

i helped pay the taxi - invited him in for a pint

to the annoyance of my friends.

to this day we speak on the phone every other day

and go to the pub often together.

i'm his only friend - and whilst i have a few

i've not many and it's a pleasure to know him

especially in a world of bullies and backstabbers.

don't bully - give everyone a chance.

 

There is just no excuse for this.

 

I really couldn't agree with you more here. And I feel this is what a lot of people don't take into account when talking about bullying, and in particular, those like hotwater who actually defend bullying and see it as a positive, rather than a negative thing.

There are different types of bullying, and different levels of intensity of bullying too. And Meliai also made a good point about a person's home life also having an effect on the mindset of those who are bullied. I was systematically bullied pretty much every day of every year during my school days. So I never had any respite from it, it was a constant sense of trauma for me growing up. I also ocassionally endured physical attacks upon me, the harassment wasn't always verbal. Add onto this the fact that I didn't really have any friends at school, plus an unhappy home life, this conspired to drive me to a point where I felt like my life wasn't worth living.

There is a world of difference between a little bit of name calling every once in a while, which most kids endure at some point, and the systematic, often very vicious brand of bullying that some other kids unfortunately suffer. The most extreme cases of bullying could never, under any circumstances by any right thinking person, be classed as a positive force in someone's life.

 

And I'll bet some of the clueless adults bought their whole act.

:love: I hope you realize now that the bullies were the losers, not you.

I didn't have it as bad as you did, and it didn't last as long, but I went through enough that I always sided with the victims, and got mad whenever the teachers didn't do the right thing. In hindsight, I think one big problem for me in junior high was that I moved there because of my father's job, and we were in a small town where you had to be born there to be considered an okay person. If you were an "outsider", you could never be quite as good as everybody else.

Not me. I wanted the bullies to die, preferably a slow and painful death.

And you survived. :hurray:

And it's the responsibility of the school system to prevent the bullies' personal problems from becoming your problems. Especially in light of compulsory attendance laws. They have a moral and legal obligation to keep you safe, if they're going to require you to be there.

Why are there not more lawsuits? In general, I think there are too many lawsuits in America, but this is one case where there might be too few. Somebody should be held accountable when the principals and teachers can't keep things under control at all.

I can remember going to my locker between classes, thinking that any bad thing could happen at any moment, like walking through a jungle alone at night. I didn't feel like the adults were in charge, outside of the classrooms.

Whenever a kid brings a gun to school and shoots multiple people, you know that a lot of shit has been allowed to go on for too long. That was a last resort for some student. Somebody wasn't doing their job.

Fucking bullshit. No emotionally healthy and normal person says to themselves, several times every day, that they have no good qualities whatsoever. There is no constructive purpose for this. Nobody bullies themselves for being the "wrong" race, whatever the fuck that means. No straight boy who is bad at sports calls himself a fag. No little girl holds herself responsible for her father's failure to make a lot of money for buying trendy clothes. Mean kids just take everything too goddamn far.

This article was written by a moron who has no clue what it's like to be on the receiving end of mistreatment by a truly evil person. And it was posted by somebody that I hope is not a parent or educator.

Welcome to my ignore list.

I wish I could buy you a drink. :cheers2:

When the grown-ups won't do their jobs, sometimes, somebody else has to step up.

 

I agree with this.

It's a good thing to learn how to handle adversity, it's a bad thing to have a school life more stressful than a north korean diplomats.

Many medicines are also deadly poisons, and it's only a tiny difference in dose that determines that.

 

I don't think that bullying is the only reason for the suicide...but that is almost the point. No one knows what is going on in the minds of people so the idea that it is okay to go around insulting people about such trivial bullshit is beyond disturbing.

Obviously her self-esteem was quite low and she had body image issues...this is absolutely normal at her age, unfortunately and moving on from this particular case, I think that people should be held responsible for this kind of behavior because often they don't know the impact they're having. Maybe they're being bullied at home.

I don't think that bullying helps anyone in anyway whatsoever and I'm glad there is this big media propaganda thing about it now...do I think they took something and ran with it, yes absolutely, but I think it helps raise awareness and so I see nothing wrong with that.

Yes there are tons of other issues going on in the world. But issue by issue these things are coming into consciousness and all these bitter people attached to ideas that you have to be rude to people to prepare them for reality and the real world, will start to realize they were wronged long ago and it created a strong sense of injustice and unbalanced relationships and we do have the power to create healthier standards for our communities.

 

i can see people jumping on hotwater for his post. i wont say he was right or wrong but i have been bullied and have on the rare occasion been a bully. i have also seen kids get mercilessly bullied for years.
25 years later and all the bruises have long healed and nobody i personally know have killed themselves.
what is it about the people from my town that is different from the places where people are killing themselves?
if its environment then mine...
i come from a 1 square mile town that was poor and tough surrounded by rich suburban towns.

 

I also came from a poor and tough neighbourhood, and I have lot of other issues besides the bullying, and I haven't killed myself. However, I don't think my envoironment really has anything to do with that fact. I put the fact that I haven't killed myself up till now down to cowardice. I don't have the bottle to kill myself. So if anything, I see those who have killed themselves over bullying as possessing a mental toughness that I myself lack. Okay, that probably isn't an absolute, but generally speaking, I think that is true.

 

I don't think that people should be held responsible for the actions of others.

Unless there was very excessive pressure to, literally, commit suicide, I don't see that you can blame someone else in any sort of fair way.

I say sarcastic shit all the time on HF. I say actual harsh shit when people deserve it. If they go kill themselves, their mommy could go on about RooR cyber-bullying their little turd to death...... but that would be bullishit, I'm quite certain.

You can't have laws about offending people, or ANYTHING could be illegal. Even if there are exceptional cases, thase can be prosecuted as harassment or stalking cases, in general the things that people suggest to combat this sort of case are plain and simple limits on free speech, that, even if well meant, can be directed at just about anything. If someone tells me I'm a dirty fuckin' hippie and I need a haircut and pair of shoes, and then I kill myself, it does not mean they're responsible, just that they're a jackass, just like they where before I killed myself.

 

You got it. It's all about degree. Everybody has to deal with ordinary criticism.

We need school policies and Facebook rules, not laws. Once you're over 18, it's up to you to handle whatever life throws at you.

There's a reason why children don't have the same rights, responsibilities, and freedoms as adults. They can't handle it.

 

I never really understood this kind of thing how the words of others could have such power over you. I'm not trying to be insensitive I know it's sad and ofcorse it's wrong but more than the other kids doing the bullying the children who are bullied need better parents. how were these children raised that they don't know for themselves how great they are that all it takes is someones hate to make them think less of themselves. I was always told I was wonderful and that all I needed to do was to believe it for myself to know it was true. The way people feel about you is just that the way they feel and how they feel is not my problem. A child needs to know their self worth before they leave the house so that the outside world can't tare them apart like this. There is nothing anyone can do to stop bullying it's our nature to strike out at others. We need to just make sure our children are prepared to deal with it when it happens

 

I was bullied pretty bad throughout my school years...and even at a few places I worked at.

I was never close to suicidal, though.

I got bullied in high school cuz everyone thought I was pregnant (I had a belly). I flipped out on a group of kids my senior year over it.

I think the greatest revenge I ever got was when one of the kids who REALLY bullied me asked me out a few years after we graduated.

I looked right at him and told him I was too pregnant to date a piece of shit like him.

I don't think he quite understood, but I felt great about it.

 

That's like the oddest thing I've ever heard someone being bullied for u went to school there for years how could u have still been pregnant