Taking ALD-52 is just about the same as taking LSD. It may have subjectively better effects in some people. The dosage is just as minute. To make it, one must first make LSD, I think. You would have been getting the very good stuff, or at least, the equal stuff. Also, I've had a sort of numb tongue from the same legit but bitter blotters..... that's just a feeling you get from shitty tasting paper, go chew on some inactive paper and you'll see. (I've had a rather bad habit of chewing paper throughout my life, for what it's worth). Anyway, the guy who sold you blotter would have NO FUCKING CLUE, even if he laid it out himself, if it was ALD-52, and even if he knew, it would make him like the most legitimate guy you could hope to meet.
that's definitely not L. but i can't really help you identify which RC it is. from what i'm gathering about 25x-nbome so far is that it makes your tongue numb and has a trip duration similar to lsd -- 8-12 hours. never even really heard of this chemical before. anything that makes your mouth numb is definitely not lsd. i have had slightly bitter metallicy-sour/bitter tabs before that were real lsd but most clean L will not have such a strong taste.
well the people who lay real lsd-25 know that it is lsd so why wouldn't someone know if they were laying ald? most real connects are legitimate. lol! i'll go knaw on some paper and give it a try. guess i need to find out whether ald is bitter and causes a numb tongue and maybe find an nbome test kit.
They think they know. If it's ald-52, I'm pretty sure a test would show LSD. Pretty sure it would if you tested LSM or one of the other similar chems, too. I mean, you're talking about what's essentially lore, already..... how "clean" a hit is by taste..... remember that you're consuming ehh I dunno, thousands as many times the mass of the LSD in paper, ink/bleach, LSD solvent, etc.... it could be very low purity LSD and you'd never know by taste. You could be dosed in a single grain of sugar. I guess if you're taking thumbprints you'll taste it.... HOW would anyone but the guy who made it know? WHY would any of them share that info? You're not just one guy away from a source, if you're getting blotter. Especially if they're selling a chemical that's a very close analog of LSD, that is basically going to feel the same as LSD, and that, I believe, is turned back into LSD before it ever hits you. Hydrolysis would probably happen while laying the damn blotter....
you can definitely taste blotter man. ask anyone that has ever had a bitter blotter. can a piece of paper and some ink really account for that taste? i don't think so. that is definitely the chemical you are tasteing. if you laid out 5 blotters of various purity infront of me i could tell you which one was the purest before the trip even started. because i've had tasteless lsd before, and i've also had bitter-metallic tasteing LSD, and there is an obvious difference. even, in the quality in the trip you can further distinguish between different crystals. yea that's what i keep hearing but i'm still trying to find a definitive source. edit - ok so ALD hyrolyses into LSD. so if i put a blotter in a bit of water a lsd test kit will work. waiting on results.
My friend took half, so I've only spent $100. I told him what I thought, and he's going to try them this weekend. (He still hasn't actually given me the cash, but he has taken his share.) I think he's just hopeful that maybe they are acid. I'm not sure how he'll feel after eating them. It's not so much the money as it is the trust. I'm sad and pissed about it. I wonder if I should tell my friend to try swallowing them whole, without keeping them in his mouth at all. If they still work well for him, that would be pretty interesting. I keep wishing something could make me believe it's acid, but it points to 25i/25c-nbome in every way. It has a much stronger taste than paper could have (even more than streamers!), and numbs just like 25i-nbome does.
i would tell your friend to swallow it whole if he wants to possibly not trip, and help to tentatively ID the blotters. you haven't actually tried 25i-nbome have you?
I'm going to say you should try chewing up a piece of magazine. The best LSD I've ever had had the strongest taste, and though I checked, I was unable to find any mention of it being even suspect. Inky tasting alleged euro acid. You're further spouting lore with no grounding in reality, other than the reality of placebo. The quality of LSD has nothing to do with the trip, the quantity is all that does. You'd have to have literal shit smeared in it, to have enough of anything else to be active. You don't seem to understand that you're taking about one hundred millionths of a gram of LSD for a good hit of acid. A dollar bill weighs almost one gram, divide that by one million, and then get one hundred of those pieces..... You could like, sort of see that.... that's a tenth of a milligram. The reason that bitter hits can be "bad" is that other LSD substitute chems have much larger doses, and stronger tastes. It's not LSD purity or quality that it indicates. If it's not acid, it's not acid and won't do anything, there's not "bad" acid. Next you'll start talking about fluff and needlepoint:mickey:
i think there are different purities of LSD, roorshack. and they could very well be referred to as fluff, needlepoint, amber, lavender, etc. 100 ug of needlepoint might be 90% pure (guess), and therefore only 90 ug of LSD (and 10 ug of inactive impurities) 100 ug of amber might be 55% pure, so only 55 ug (and 45 ug of probably inactive impurities) but maybe if you eat 10 hits or 1 mg of impure stuff, and got ~500 ug of impurities, that could account for some bodyload, etc. but i still don't think so.
Hold up, one gram is 1000 mg, and one mg is 1000 ug, so if a hit of LSD is 100 ug, then it would be 1/10,000 of a gram. If each hit was only 1 ug then it would be 1/1,000,000. Edit: after rereading your post I now understand what you were saying. I got confused with the wording. 100 1/1,000,000 pieces.
okay so i tried eating a small 1/4" piece of printer paper, magazine paper, and even photo paper that were all heavily inked. i tasted nothing.. i don't really want to argue about this so if you don't believe me that's all i'm going to say.
That was the idea. I don't think it would prove much if it was active when swallowed, because maybe complexed 25i or 25c would be active that way. If it's not active when swallowed whole, It would point further towards one of the nbomes (25i or c). If I he doesn't try it that way, I will sometime Both me and my friend have recently had 25i-nbome on "blotter" I made by putting drops on water color paper. No complexing.
i assume you kept the ones you made in your mouth for some time? how long did you do so with the new ones that are suspect?
The one I took at the festival was in for quite a while. (I always keep paper in my mouth for a while.) I didn't keep it under my tough or in my lip though. It tasted pretty strong, so I could taste it for a while even after I swallowed the paper. I wonder if the nbome blotters they sell as LSD are extra strong to make up users not knowing the best method of consumption. Next time I feel like experimenting, I'll try swallowing one whole. My friend did try some (I'm not even sure how much...we were talking on cell phones...) this weekend. He was laid up with a bad back, but decided to try some, and had a great time considering he was in pain. We couldn't talk much, but he said it tasted more "real" than the blotters I made. (It's a tough comparison since the ones I made were probably 1/2 or less potency.) I'll talk to him in person this coming weekend probably. I'm really just trying to forget about it on some levels. So, I'll probably put them deep in the box. I've got a couple other interesting things that I want to do first. But...my buddy will probably be experimenting a lot with them, since he has plenty and seems to love tripping lately. I'll mention swallowing whole when I see him.
I don't deny that a different purity would look different as crystal. But I'm pretty sure that MOST lsd will be purified reasonably well, considering the trouble to make it in the first place. I'm not the least bit worried about the impurities having ANY effect on the experience. I chalk that up to placebo. As you say it may be possible, but I'm not taking thumbprints (and if I was, I could see the stuff, anyways) or anything, and I just don't believe all the qualitative things people say about different grades. I've felt many things on LSD, including on identical hits at different times, and within one trip. It goes like this: guy sells identical stuff as "fluff" (it's W-o-W because it's white family fluff on white paper, dawg) and "needlepoint", but needlepoint is twice as expensive, and gives a sense of security (being in good, pure chemical hands), and everyone who tries fluff says it's good, but then tries needlepoint, and immediatly feels the amazing difference of thinking they're on needlepoint, and raves about it..... and douchey street-level guy gets rich. I guess I'm missing out, if I believed all that crap I'd be placebo'ed into great trips with all the good shit everyone always says about their hits :sunny:
NO! NO! NO! PLEASE, not this debate again. Pork, Roor, kill it now before it gains a life of it's own.
