will a mushroom cloud over ISRAEL be enough proof? if so just wait 18-24 month's. Venezuela's claim to have more proved oil reserve's than the whole middle-east COMBINED. Are they next?
Matthew, if you want to call me names, you can certainly call me a pacifist. You'd also be accurate to call me an alarmist, as that is exactly my intent in writing my posts here. The scenarios I present my sound far fetched at present, but I realize that things COULD go that way if cooler heads don't prevail. By presenting worse case scenarios I want to alarm people to the potential posed by the actions being taken by Bush and others. I rarely expect any of these things to come to fruition, because I realize there are many complex processes involving competing interests. But then again madmen like Bush are capable of anything. After all he does claim to talk to God (and get answers!). So he can excuse any action by saying "God told me to do this". Even if it's just something to save his presidency or legacy. Lemme ask you this Matthew, do YOU talk to God? Does he answer you, and tell you exactly what to do? Do you believe that Bush talks to God, and that the answers he gets are from God, and therefore MUST be followed? Why bother to have a democracy, when we have a theocracy running the USA?
Bingo! Absolutely right! People hate Bush so much that they are being blinded to obvious danger right in front of their noses! And the Venezuela point is a good one! You dont hear Bush war-mongering over them, do you? Sorta makes you think Iraq is about more than oil, doesn't it?
No Bush isn't war mongering over Venezuela cause he has the CIA doing whatever it can to undermine the Chavez gov't. Yet another instance of the US interfering in the internal affairs of other "friendly" countries. Believe me there are plans in the works to deal with Venezuela, and it's only a matter of time before we see something happen there. Then again Chavez is very savvy and has pre-empted several attempts, and is ready to boot the US ambassador out of the country (with good reason no doubt - CIA activity, etc.) Of course Venezuela could just STOP shipping oil to the US, and that would hurt the US far more than Venezuela. I expect an assassination attempt on him very soon. That is how the US supports democracy around the world!
just like that bitch Pat Robertson suggested...a hit on Chavez. i wouldn't doubt it; though Robertson is the one who should be shot and ignorant people buy into Bush's paranoia so much, that they'll easily be convinced that waging a war against Iran would be the thing to do. poor dumb fools. diplomacy would be a far better option.
An ignorant populace is a compliant populace.Ignorance is the only reason I can think of for believing we're on the right and moral track with what is happening here and abroad.I guess it's hard to admit being wrong about your basic beliefs,even with the blatent examples of the present administration ,when you've believed in them and their types all your life.Willfull ignorance can soon be called stupidity,imho.
Good point! It's one thing to blindly have faith in your leader who speaks to God. It's another to watch him fuck up again and again, lie to America, start wars for oil, let young Americans die so Cheney's buddies can get rich, and STILL support the bastard! I guess it's like expecting muslims to reject their faith. The diehard xtians will never abandon their false prophet cause if they're wrong about him, what other xtian beliefs might not be real? The Easter Bunny? Santa Claus? Jesus Christ? Time to wake up and smell the fundamentalist xtian shit that's polluting our country and world. It's no worse than muslim fundamentalist shit.
That he supposedly tried to buy aluminum tubes from China that might have been used to make a centrifuge. And a bogus document that he allegedly tried to buy uranium oxide from Nigeria. Plus some emotional tactics of mentioning the mushroom cloud over the U.S. during his state of the union speech. With 'evidence' like that, expect to be wrong. Even Colin Powell said that his transmission of that type of flimsy evidence in front of the UN was the low point in his career. That's enough proof for you to invade and overthrow another country? .
They've complied with NPT. We've been through this before. If you think they haven't, then you need to state what the violation was. If we don't like the way NPT works, then we should fix loopholes in it. At least then we would have a legal reason to take action when it's violated by a member country. Note also that nothing is obligating Iran to stay an NPT member. It could withdraw if it wishes. Then all of this argument would become moot. If it withdraws because of too much political stupidity on both sides, then there's even less legal framework to work within to try to solve this issue. ,
An article I happened to come across. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/10/hersh.access/index.html Excerpt: "BLITZER: The official U.S. intelligence estimate is the Iranians are still years away from developing a nuclear bomb. The Israelis are much more concerned. They think it's -- perhaps this year could be a decisive turning point in whether they go forward with it. What is your bottom-line assessment, based on the reporting you've done? How close are the Iranians to actually building a bomb? HERSH: You know, the point is, we don't know. It's not tomorrow. I've heard up to as long as 10 years. And as you know, the official estimate, intelligence estimate, of the government that was published -- leaked last year or obtained by The Washington Post said 8 to 10 years. And that's the best guess. Here's the real, critical point. The critical point, it seems to me, is that we're not talking. This president is not talking to the Iranians. They are trying very hard to make contact, I can assure you of that, in many different forms. And he's not talking. And there's no public pressure on the White House to start bilateral talks. And that's what amazes everybody. When I was in Vienna [Austria], seeing officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the one thing they all said is everybody knows Iran is trying to do something. They're cheating. They're not near. There's plenty of time. And instead of talking about bombing, let's talk about talking. Let's see if we can do something to begin a bilateral conversation. And it's amazing to me, not only that the president doesn't but there's no pressure on him from Congress or anybody else." .
Even my wealthy republican In-Laws have given up on Bush. His lies are just to much to stomach any more. IMPEACH BUSH
i just wonder about the anti war peopel here. do you all belive current and future wars are wrong? what about past wars? like it or not wars happen and will continue to happen untill all people are like minded. i doubt that will ever happen so wars will always be apart of us. and skip if you like to pose worst case scenarios why can you not also imajine they want to attack first and have illintentions in mind with a nuclear program? i mean they have only come right out and admitted they wish to destroy one country and hate some others... using your logic is the same as if a person went around yelling i hate queers and death to all fags. only good fag is a dead fag. san francisco should be wiped off the map..and then the police say to the nut-case hey now what your doing is wrong stop it. and that person start right back up again as soon as the cops leave.... what should the cops do? wait till the guy starts killing people? it was mentioned in this very thread that the iran pres is only saying what his hard line followers wanted to hear but he is a hard liner also and truly belives that stuff. and is in the position to make his dreams happen. like others have said here being a pacifist isnt a bad thing unless your preaching aginst war. cause apparently you do not belive in war in any shape or form. but what would you have the world do? be ruled by one all powerfull dictator? i mean if no war justified then who will stop the bad guys? we can see here in this thread you have your own opinions as we all do. and its apparent you dont like to be told what to do. so why not take a stand right or wrong and fight for it? you may find enough people to agree with you and even have some sucesses in general elections but when push comes to shove. you will either have to fight for what you belive or be ruled and oppressed.
I dISLIKE FOX NEWS . TOO FAR LIBERAL AND LEFT WING . you dont need Fox news to find out Bush low rating is = I allready know!. all the medias are full shit . regardless if is far right or far left .
hip forums>news and issues>politics>america attacks>bush approval rating lowest ever - fox news! i belive the war is on topic as it relates to your comments.since my questions were ment to get an alternate idea vrs the current Bush Admin policies. most of your rants against Bush are because of your dislike for war you hate war so much you bash any that do not agree with you. you were the first to pose the scenarios not I. my entire post was a responce to yours. maybe you should practice what you preach. anycase great way to avoid questions maybe you should run for office. you already have the sidestepping of tuff issues down pat. maybe i am wrong in seeing a much larger picture here unlike some of the narrow minded people here that can only see what they want to see.
"anycase great way to avoid questions maybe you should run for office. you already have the sidestepping of tuff issues down pat." how's that any different from the commander in chief whose orders you followed? larger picture? you seem to advocate a war against a nation (Iraq) for what little answers we had, over an EXTREMELY questionable agenda. You seem to denouce questioning authority, which is one of the most patriotic things a citizen in this country can do, in favor of fighting for a foreign policy based on paranoia, unwarranted lies, and deception. Abortions, gay marraiges, and other civil rights are just diversions for an admin that is as fascist as it is hypocritical. I guess stupid ass hicks and rich paranoid suburbia "see the bigger picture" too. saddam's WMDs were never found in Iraq, and "intelligence" hasn't found any indications that Iran is working on a nuclear weapon. If your commander-in-chief is wrong, and launches an attack first, we're all going to be in a world of shit because of his bonehead mistake (and he's made a lot of them). only idiots support idiots in office, e.o.s.
In every one of my posts on this thread the topic is BUSH. In your previous post you're talking about Past wars and don't even mention Bush AT ALL. That is troll behavior. We don't tolerate that shit around here. You want to change the subject, START ANOTHER THREAD. It ain't hard. I'm warning you now, shape up or ship out dude!