Bush War Adviser Says Draft Worth a Look

I think that would make quite the display, and Hillary would have a hard time saying she's against this war, when her vote bought her a place in the rogues gallery.

 

No but advisor's got us into this war didn't they? This president would never sign a renistitution of the draft, no one disputes that. The reasoning is you can't continue to hold wars of this scale based on an all volunteer army. Someone eventually will have to fill the ranks when no more volunteers appear.

 

No he can't.

 

Passports, that something we didn't need in the sixties and seventies. Young follks today should beware.

 

Jose and Jesus from Mexico don't need to fear a draft but John and Jim Jones need to think of their alternatives.

 

I will donate $100 bucks to HipForums and publicly proclaim myself dumber than Bush if there is a draft while Bush is in office.

 

Bush won't institute one I think we all agree on that. But he's developed a situation where it will probably be necessary in the future.

 

I've been Googling, but could not find a quote to save my life, by Frank Zappa. But once he said something to the effect of: "Why is the Army advertising that if you join, you'll get an education? Why don't they just say 'If you want to kill, mame and torture, this is the job for you!" Call on the gangs and the bikers and get the job done "right" was his basic message. You get a bunch of kids in the military that think they're just there for an "education" and well, we're up shit's creek. Poor kids.

Sorry Skip, didn't meant to half quote or de-rail. Your statement just made that come to mind.

And as others have said in this thread, I don't doubt for a second, that the draft would be re-instated "tute suite`", should the powers that be deem it "necessary".

 

i have sometimes wondered about some of the characters who post to this site


these are some of the possibilities

1 skip is manufacturing these deranged individuals, he writes some right wing rant and hopes for some replies, this way he keeps the politics forum alive. on the otherhand judging by the sheer volume of right wing rants despite the facts of the matter (whatever it is), it is doubtful that skip alone could pen them himself, the general spelling mistakes and broad range of grammar seems to point away from skip. the general flavour of the rant always has undertones of mental illness which leads me to possibility 2

2 mentally ill people post to the politics forum

3 supporters of the right wing (or whomever) post to these forums to swamp dissent. if you shout down the opposition then you don't allow their thoughts to be heard (an old trick of hitler)

4 paid operatives of the government cruise the forums to shout down dissent

5 a mentally ill operative of the govenrnment cruises the forums doing their work.


most of the characters i have come across here seem to fall into the catagory of angry. rather than examining the facts of their situation on the domestic front (the thing that has led them to the politics forum) they simply pick fault and post nothing of any relevance or meaning.

if these characters had a more fulfilled life ie education, stable domestic situation, medical treatment, comfortable working conditions and payment i doubt if they would be here.

mental illness does play a large part though, these people allow other people to do their thinking for them, their posts are rarely if ever ORIGINAL ie there is rarely if ever, original or creative thought in their political forum posts or other posts in general.

 

There won't be a draft anytime soon. It would be the downfall of America. Why? Because the volunteers in the armed forces are motivated to be there, and there will always be smart, patriotic, brave citizens ready to answer the call of duty. People forced to serve will never be motivated enough to do anything aside from getting fellow soldiers killed.

Even another Pearl Harbor-like attack will not change the pussy teenagers in America. 6 years after 9/11 many kids would rather play music and protest the war rather than do something that matters.

 

And what exactly are you doing today? You are 19 are you serving active duty?

 

After tomorrow I will be able to answer "yes" to that question.

 

WaaaHooo! Go for it little guy!

 

That is one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is that perhaps these people are looking to the military to improve their lives. Perhaps they see the military as the only way to escape their current life and persue something better.

I don't understand why people are so surprised that a military would lower enlistment requirements when enlistment numbers are down. Do people think that this does not or would not occur in many other aspects of life? Employment, higher education, professional sports, etc....Sometimes you need to settle for second best, or worse. If a position needs to be filled and the cream of the crop is not available, well that only leaves one option.

If you were convicted of a drug charge (posession, manufacture, distributing, etc..) and had a criminal record and decided one day you want to change your life, where would you go? You employment record is shit, you have minimal education, your criminal record turns away most employers, you cannot get a student loan to continue education, where would you go? The military offers a large enlistment bonus, a chance to learn a trade, and an opportunity to leave the life that has been dragging you down and offers no positive future. One problem, like previous employers, your criminal record prevents you from joining the military. Now where do you go? There is nobody left to give you a chance. Back to the streets, gangbangin and selling rock.

Now let's say that the military did decide to give you a chance. You now have $25,000 in the bank and are learning self worth, discipline, and are receiving training in a trade. Maybe you decide that military life is for you and spend the rest of your career serving. Or you decide that you want to move on from the military. You now have at least four years of a clean record, have training and experience in a valuable trade, and have managed to save your enlistment bonus and much of your salary and have at least $30,000 in the bank. You are now ready to go into the workforce with a positve record, reformed.

What is so horrible about this? Is there something wrong with looking at the same situation from this point of view? Does everything alway have to have a negative spin on it?

 

The point is... it feeds this war.

This war has NOTHING to do with the security of the United States. It's part of a private agenda, pushed forward by powers outside the US.

We need to stop this nonsense of being a world policeman. It can begin by choking off people and funds that supply it. This war has been a huge and costly mistake.

I prefer a horrible end to it rather than an endless horror.




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And btw, your sig is true. What side are you on?


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