em, rats survive exterminators, but I bet you if you asked a panel of them about freedom of speack you'd not get an intelligible answer even if you were to speak rat... you have a crappy metaphor there buddy....
Yes, few conservatives can be bothered to criticize Bush. Perhaps because once they start, there'll be no stopping. Oh, wait, IT HAS BEGUN! Pointless, you'd do well to preface your arguments with: "I know Bush is a fuckup, but..." That would make you much more credible these days. To back the Bush regime endlessly with no critical comment does not help your case, since now the majority are beginning to learn how badly he fucked things up. A true patriot sees beyond today's presidential hypocricies to the long-term effects such a malevolent leader will have upon the US and the world for decades to come. I'd love to just once see you be critical of Bush or his cronies. What's wrong? Can't do it? Will it violate something you signed? Geesh! The preceeding was a non-paid liberal announcement. We now return you to Bush's War on Freedom of the Press....
Isn't it funny how your version of the truth is right, and any other version is wrong? You believe that all you want... You continue to believe everything is all f*cked up, and I'll continue to believe that we're winning this war on terror and that we've helped the Iraqi people.
Just an aside about the UK, the US and the Kurds who Point says “have survived an attempted genocide at the hands of Saddam” 1) At the time of the gassing of Kurdish villagers I believe the US was supporting Saddam 2) In the 90’s when the Kurds were having a civil war one of the two factions asked for and was assisted by the same Saddam who had gassed the Kurdish villagers 3) The UK was gassing Kurdish villagers back in the 20’s.
How ironic. Shortly after being threatened for going off topic, in a thread about US press freedom, the webmaster mocks my user name and implies that I am a paid agent, and then the super moderater brings up British gassing of the Kurds in the 1920's "as an aside". Meanwhile hipforum regulars refer to the Kurds as stupid, compare them to rats being exterminated, and refer to Jalal Talabani as a puppet, all from the comfort of their Eurocrat cubicle. What a minefield. What am I allowed to respond to and how? Who knows. Of course I oppose things Bush does, or parts of the Republican party platfrom. I support gay marriage, legalisation of marijuana, am pro-choice, anti-death penalty, and I'm athiest. I don't live in the US or watch Fox news. Yep, your typical Republican profile, right? But I also support fledgling democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan, something that you, Skip, avoid at all costs. I don't believe mossad planned 9/11 and I don't try to project liberal views onto "resistance" movements which explicitly support apalling ideologies, as if the fact that they hate Bush must mean that deep down they worry about global warming and globalisation. For that reason I don't have to uncomfortably look the other way whenever they decapitate an aid worker and say "must have been CIA done it". I mean for freak's sake, you are more willing to blame terrorism on Western toilet training that admit that maybe, just maybe Al Qaeda are bad. Similarly, thousands were executed by Saddam at Abu Ghraib, but to you if US troops turn in their own fellow soldiers for torture and allegations are widely reported in US mainstream press and debated in Congress, and later the perpetrators are tried and imprisoned, this somehow proves we are no better than Saddam and our press is about as free as Nazi Germany's and we live in a dictatorship. It is hysterical, ridiculous hyperbole and its not winning the left any support.
No eurocrat cubicle here, troll. Keep up your wishful insults though, they amuse to no end! Fledgling imposed governments with zero legitimacy outside a preciously small geographic area (the Green Zone and Kabul respectively) for certain, democracies reflecting the will of the indigenous peoples, certainly not. But then youll happily believe that electoral processes and made for tv voting orchestrated by a US administration which the GAO has now confirmed fraudulently stole the 2004 election (along with the 2000 election) - as many have long pointed out to your constant derision and dismissiveness - are any less fraudulent. Don't need Fox News to keep yourself misinformed. Murdoch has a veritable press and media empire in the UK as well and you most certainly echo the sentiments of the British tabloids like a willing dupe. Your ridiculous assertions against "the Left" (aka anyone who recognises and decries consistency of principle between Washington and many of its long villified oponent regimes) are further evidence of that truth.
Actually becuase you lack any concept of the longrunning practices of the CIA in counterinsurgency propaganda, you lack any discomfort in looking the other way and swallowing without any question (however illogical the claim of "insurgency decapitated much beloved aid worker or foreign journalist" happens to be) the fact that it could very well be (and more likely is) the mossad and CIA abducting directly or through willing local paid assets the most potentially shocking targets to keep the western public predominantly behind continuation of our militant occupation. Relying on the Murdoch tabloids for your understanding of our historic MidEast machinations makes it understandable as to why you would be incapable of fathoming that most recognisable of covert tactics in a theatre of war. Perhaps you would do well to reflect on the possibility that your desperate adherence to notions of Al Qaeda for every heinous act flashed on the tv screen and splashed across headlines might more likely be another well crafted lie spun to mythical proportions through constant repetition. Considering the revealed source of your favorite (and entirely false) pre-war "intelligence" justifications, Chalabi and the INC (now duly installed in power in Baghdad) and the numerous revealed lies of the current cabal in power in Washington, you'd have more credibility if you demonstrated less belief in the company line in every post you make.
My point exactly. It's absurd that you claim to hold all those liberal beliefs, yet support Bush's policies, policies dictated by the Christian right wing and neo cons who only see $$$ in war. Don't you see the inconsistency in your own beliefs? Don't you understand cause & effect? Terrorists did not just appear out of a vacuum to "change our way of life". They are a consequence of US gov't actions outside the USA, primarily in the mideast. Of course Americans and Brits are not aware of all these activities, esp. those of the CIA and other covert organizations. As has been recently revealed the US is actively engaged in propaganda activities to support their agenda in the US and abroad. In fact these activities were in full swing to get Congress & the US public to support the war on Terror, the war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq. Meanwhile the 9/11 commission has come out and attacked the Bush administration for ignoring it's most urgent prescriptions to defend the US against terror attacks. They are too distracted with their distant wars to worry about defending those at home from attack. With all the known mistakes and illegal activities that Bush & his cronies are responsible for, it would seem that now is the time for people like you to question your own blind support for Bush just cause you FEAR terrorism and Al-Qaida. Fear is NOT a good reason to support anyone or any cause. Fear is blind to the real cause and effect. Your fear has been carefully stage managed by Bushit's team ever since 9/11. Your fear is so ingrained, you fear questioning or challenging the status quo because you're afraid it would somehow weaken us and our ability to fight wars. This is a big lie. If we are defending democracy as you claim, then we need to be the shining example of how the people can determine the course of a country's future, confronting an ineffective, incompetent administration. We need to counter their fear tactics with reality checks. Staying in lockstep only emboldens our leaders to pursue their own selfish plans without regard for the cost in human life or loss of freedom. We need to demand more investigative journalism, which seems to have disappeared in America. Only a few individuals have been willing to take on the Bush administration, and as a result they have been vilified by the gov't controlled media, viciously attacked by Karl Rove & his minions. Pointless, you are too young to remember Watergate, but for those of us who do remember, we seen history playing out just as before. Illegal activities directed from the white house, covered up, revealed then the downfall of another abuser of power. Pointless, you are too young to remember Vietnam. But we do. And like Vietnam we see the same thing happening again in Iraq. We even warned everyone about it (see my sig - hasn't changed in 2 years!). But like Lickherlish says, you are blinded by gov't sponsored media propaganda. You don't remember the history that is now repeating itself. You've been mind fucked but won't admit it. But you will one day. Others already have (Sunlion comes to mind). The truth maybe be harder to swallow, but like medicine for a disease, it's the only cure for what ails the US. Wake up before it's too late!
One more thing... All you guys who attack us "liberals" for our anti-war, anti-Bush stance need to start showing us some respect. Why? Because we are a very important part of a functioning democracy. It's not enough for us to have the freedom of speech to speak our minds, it's also a matter of respecting our views, even if they are diametrically opposed to yours. By bashing those who challenge the prevailing views, you (and your leaders) attempt to stifle dissent, stifle discourse on the most important issues facing our country. By derailing discussions of current events with posts about Clinton and Hillary (for example), you avoid facing these issues yourself and deny yourself and others the opportunity of seeing things from a new perspective. If there is no dissent, there is no democracy. Respect Dissent!
This is almost a good question. The problem is Bush is sooo diametrically opposed to the beliefs of so many people (at least 50% of America), that it's difficult to find any silver lining in his policies or actions. Indeed, for the past 5 years, I've yet to see ANYTHING Bush has done that I favor. If it was just a matter of a different agenda favoring other interest groups that would be fine. Unfortunately he's got us into no fewer than THREE WARS, with no end in sight for any of them. He's favored business at the expense of the people & environment in every possible situation. He's compromised and controlled the media to the point that they are afraid to challenge his administration. I could go on and on... This explains why people are SO passionately against Bush. He has yet to feed the left/liberals even a crumb. This is not how democracy works. In other countries there is a sharing of power. If the leader wants something that many do not favor, he often must COMPROMISE, something Bush has refused to do since his first day in office. By compromising, the other side gets something it wants, and thus they can feel part of the political process, and even though they don't get everything, they at least get SOMETHING! By not compromising, by not giving us "liberals" anything on our agenda, we no longer feel a part of the political process. We are not being represented and our agenda is not moving forward at all. We pay taxes, but we don't get anything we want. This is what caused the US to declare independence in the first place. So yes, Bush gets an F for support of democracy in the US. He's done more to advance democracy in Iraq than in the US. But of course that too is a sham. Perhaps if we had been fed a few crumbs we wouldn't be so ravenously and soon to be DANGEROUSLY hungry. If he stays in office, no doubt there will be a reaction, perhaps worse than has ever been seen before.
Silly silly armchair pundits, he didnt pursue the neocons long awaited agenda of war as any gesture to Congress, Democrat or otherwise. Such absolute partisan rubbish!
I'm concerned that advertisers in High Times Magizine are being harrased by The Goverment. This is a bi-partisan issue.
Best you check your history yet again Ina, poor revisionist that you are. The initiative and demand for carte blanche for war, albeit worded in ambiguous terminology as the "power to fight the War on Terror", came from Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz, Kristol, Feith, Frum and Perle and was signed off by Bush. However complicit the Congress is in that long-planned PNAC farce, is an entirely separate issue. Save your Pentagon propaganda for the indoctrinated, aggression-ridden yahoos over at military.com. At least they are uncritical and irrational enough to fall for it.
Unfortunately, what you see is the reason the liberal left is doing so poorly in the United States. I'm not saying the Right is 100% correct either, and both sides have their share of issues and problems. But the facts remain that liberals are more likely to just go off on people, being very mean and nasty then conservatives. I see it all the time - heck, this thread proves it time and time again. Liberals need to learn that people don't like nor appreciate the vicious attacks, and that its hurting their party.
Ahh so Rove and his media cohorts who have smearing the characters of everyone who has dared blow the whistle upon (or otherwise focus public attention upon) the administration's lies, treasonous acts and abuses of power must all be closet "left liberals"? Imagine that! What "Party" precisely would be the one representing "Left liberals"? You mean the democrats who have uncritically followed the administration's line (and lies) and who have voted in support of tax cuts for the mega wealthy? Time to get a new soudbite, there is no viable "Left" in US politics.
You mean like the vicious attack Karl Rove unleashed upon poor Mr. Wilson and his wife? You mean like the vicious attack Bush unleashed on Iraq, killing uncounted (shamefully) Iraqi citizens? You mean like the vicious attacks FAUX News channel unleashes upon "liberals" and democrats daily? You mean like the vicious attacks you and others have hurled at us for just opposing the war? Give me a break! Learn some respect, and you might get some.
Time to change the record Ina, clinging to an already discredited soundbite only exposes you all the more as a partisan mouthpiece.
It's quite clear now that the Democrats as well as the whole nation were fed a distorted view of intelligence that emphasized what the Bush administration wanted us to believe and removed any evidence to the contrary. The caveats that appeared in the original intelligence reports were dropped because they shed doubt upon the sources and quality of intelligence. And it was these very pieces of intel that were hyped to the max. Examples: Iraq trying to obtain uranium from Niger (a complete fabrication, and Wilson who went on a fact finding mission to Niger attempted to refute this and was attacked viciously). Mobile chemical arms manufacturing plants in trucks, which was hyped by Colin Powell at the UN turned out to be for fertilizer, not munitions. The 45 minutes within which Saddam could supposedly attack the US with the alleged nuclear weapons (which he never had), was the straw that broke thru all resistance among Democrats, which turned out to be a complete fabrication. And you suggest it was the democrats who manipulated all this intelligence??? Hardly! It was Bush, Cheney, Rove, & Rummy who dreamed up all these scenarios to instill FEAR among Americans. And when ALL THAT wasn't enough, we suddenly had ANTHRAX attacks against the DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP! No doubt these attacks helped get Dems to FEAR the terror attacks upon the US. This despite the fact that all evidence points to domestic terrorism from non-islamics, such as the CIA or other covert operatives. Don't you DARE suggest the war in Iraq was all Democrats doing, when the opposite is true. Sorry, you can't rewrite this one!