California cop shoots unarmed man eleven times

Fine now that we have the lowdown on Ernest P Worrell how about the COP working his 8:00 am – 4:00 pm Shift


5:00 pm: Arrives home after a miserable day at work to find his teenage daughter on the couch messing around with her boyfriend.

5:05 pm: Boyfriend quickly exits house.

5:06 pm: argument ensues between father & daughter. The last word out of daughter’s mouth “I fucking hate you, I wish you were dead”

5:30 pm. Receives message from High School that his son has been truant over the last few weeks

6:00 pm. Opens mail to find bills piled upon bills including a $2000 dollar bill from the dentist for braces

6:30 pm. Wife enters home after a long day and a fight breaks-out over financial and family concerns. Wife walks away with a new shiner.

7:00 pm. COP hops into his pickup truck and drives to the neighborhood bar

10:00 pm COP gets pulled over for erratic driving but identified by his fellow officers and offered an escort home.

11:00 pm COP forces himself upon wife, then falls asleep in a drunken stupor

5:00 am COP wakes up to the relief of his wife who spent the most of the night wide awake because of his incessant snoring.

5:15 am. COP takes shower; slips on bar of soap.

5:45 am. COP walks dog; Dog won’t go so COP gives Fido a good swift kick in the ass.

6:30 am COP eats breakfast prepared by wife sitting across the table silently glaring at him

7:00 am COP drives to station and while enroute yells and blows horn at several motorists

7:30am COP during rollcall, morning briefing, and inspection doses off twice to the chagrin of his sergeant who heard about last night’s escapades and escort home.

8:00 am COP is on duty and itchy to blow someone away.

Sometime during the day the report comes over the radio regarding Ernest and the COP is eagerly awaiting his chance

Hotwater

 

In the video, Officer Moody states that he fired about six rounds. The DA report says it was 14. What people perceive doesn't always agree with the facts that are determined in a later analysis.

 

I would have expected those who are defensive and apologetic of the actions of the police to show some concern about the safety of police officers who initiate an encounter the way Officer Moody did in that video. He immediately and quickly charged Ernie which put him in close range and at an added risk to him (Moody) of being injured or killed. Moody's approach seemed almost frantic. Instead, the consensus on the part of those defensive of police seems to be a defending of Moody's plan and tactics 100%.

For those who are defensive and supportive of the police, do you have any recommendations of your own about police tactics that you think might help lower the chances of people getting killed or injured during such encounters while still being reasonably effective at apprehending someone? I don't mean straw-man arguments such as, "It's easy. Do as you are told by the police" or "Moody didn't do anything illegal and was just doing his job" or "It's all moot. Ernie brought all of this on himself and Officer Moody was an innocent, passive, un-expecting victim at the wrong place at the wrong time who just happened to be at work that day." I'm referring to critical thinking about the use of good judgment and tactics on the part of police when initiating and engaging in an encounter and the pitfalls to avoid.

 

exhibiting your extremely below average IQ again I see.

 

I spent a bit of time finding that video that shows what I understand to be the general way police are trained to go about handling a potentially life threating suspect in a vehicle. Maintaining command of the situation while taking precaution and limiting personal threat.
From my perspective (right or wrong) it stands in perfect contrast to the OP.

 

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Hotwater

 

To be sure.

But the point is that you can't just shoot a dirtbag. Even if the dirtbag did try to harm the officer, which had not happened at the time he was killed, that does not mean he can just blow him away, and then blow him away some more.

Lots of cops would think I'm a dirtbag, and dispatch can say someone's running around my neighborhood with a sword, but that still doesn't mean they can just shoot me. What if this had not even been the right guy? And considering he died without standing trial for his more recent crimes, or officially answering for his parole violations, ehh, he might as well be innocent.... because I see no proof that he was guilty.

 

All points I've tried to make.
1. Dirtbag isn't punishable by death.
2. It's all hear say until in a court of law.

 

This remark is kinda immature. Like someone else said, I expect more from a guy like you.

I've been arrested 10 times, and if I pulled out a weapon at any point during any one of those encounters I would expect to be shot. You're comparing 'Marijuana' charges with violent offenses and endangering people's lives. Bullshit my friend. Smelly fucking bullshit.

I cherish both love and freedom. But the moment you recklessly put other people's lives in danger, you lose both of those things as far as I'm concerned.

In my first post here, I said that one or two shots was all that was necessary. Maybe the copper did run in too fast. He deffinately fired too many shots. But pulling out a knife on a cop who's pointing a gun at you telling you not to move trumps anything that I see that the cop did. I feel sympathy for his family but I do not feel sorry for him at all. He knew the drill. He sure as hell wasn't gonna use that knife to cut a birthday cake.

 

As for protocol, I simply don't think that it EVER trumps what's right, even if the cop followed it.

Using the car? He could have waited in or by the car, and then taken chase, even firing in a more controlled way, if he saw that the man was NOT armed with a knife. Or, he simply could have knocked the guy down with the car, and while probably not following protocol, I would not take issue with it: it would be the right move for the cops safety, and bystanders safety.

Ehh, lots of drunks are very dangerous and wielding knives... But I still have NOT seen a knife in the video, and I don't think the cop could have either. If I saw a raised knife or a move towards the cop, I would side with him. I read that a knife was in the bed of the truck, and I don't see how it could have flown that high and in that direction, as the guy was bending down and facing the cab, with the bullets comming from the direction of the bed.

I concede, he didn't murder the guy: but I still think he wrongfully killed him. I see the reasoning for your side, and yes, I've been arrested a few times and would never pull a knife on a cop.... but if I did, they would just taze me, I'm reasonably sure. Probably the same to you. They'd taze you and put you away forever, but taze you.

 

Roor, I know you lean against cops. I can sympathize. However try not to buy into the straw man argument.

If it comes to self defense, cops shoot to kill. The "unloaded his gun in the guy" is a emotional push button. As is this.

Apples and oranges. He didn't point a gun at the cop. He had a knife. And wasn't in a position to use it. Yet. He's tangled up in a seat belt.

Stick with the irrefutable points Roor.
He deserved his day in court on parole violation charges. And to face his accusers on the other accusations. And if he made a move towards the cop, knife in hand, then shoot his ass.

I don't see how LetLovin can't see the difference between those two video examples.

 

"The most obvious means of social control, in a discontented society, is a strong, semi-militarized police force. Most of the periphery has been managed by such means for centuries. This was obvious to elite planners in the West, was adopted as policy, and has now been largely implemented. Urban and suburban ghettos where the adverse consequences of neoliberalism are currently most concentrated?have literally become occupied territories, where police beatings and unjustified shootings are commonplace...." Richard K. Moore
http://www.wholeearth.com/issue/2101/article/130/escaping.the.matrix