Calling all seekers!!!!

Right now Im trying to live in a Constant state of peace/harmony, where the ego is transcended to some degree. I obviously don't expect it to be completely gone at all times, but simply not playing a significant role in normal life. To get out of the patterns of desire and habit. To always remain Open

 

How do you know you're seeing something real rather than your own subjective construction?

 

I'd have to agree.

Too many of these people have views of this type, and really you can find them in many books from all kinds of 'spiritual' traditions. The same traditions which have guided us into the present global crisis.

There seems to be a kind of need in some people to have a static view of it all - and usually, that precludes any real experience of the deeper levels of the self. Or if it doesn't preclude it, it certainly conditions it.

To imagine one has some final 'knowledge' is always a mistake.

And actually, I don't think I want to see this world destroyed - that's a pretty anti-life kind of thing I'd say....but then, that's only my opinion, not divine revelation....

 

hmmm I've seen a really odd amalgamation of yoru posts and am utterly confused about you. I will pay closer attention and see where how you develop *twiddles fake moustache*

 

Experience.

When you stand in a river, you can tell what direction the current is flowing. Yes?

By that same token, you can tell when the current reverses.

To see with physical eyes, the current flows one way. To see with spiritual eyes, the current reverses.

It functions in the same way that your other senses function. You don't have to concentrate for your ears to listen or your nose to smell. They run constantly, but in the background. Your awareness of them is below normal waking conciousness until something stimulates them to bring the awareness forward.

Some people get inner vision instantly, while others unfold slowly like a flower. I belong to the latter catagory. For the last 20+ years, this has refined itself with the passing of time. I don't do anything to encourage it, it just happens.

I don't have absolute clarity of vision, but in comparison to the point where I started, it has been a most rewarding experience.

The best comparison I can come up with is it's like a torch which illuminates what is around you. The brighter it glows, the more detail you see come out of the darkness that surrounds you.

And one of the first things that you see, is other people who grope in the darkness, with only a tiny flame to guide them.

Compassion comes out of you like a torrent.

So if you question my motives in being here, that is the best explanation I can offer. Compassion.



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I dont know why, but that post didn't wreak of ego. Thank you for that. it was actually quite nice.

So how to you go about brightening your torch?

 

I have to use ego, as it is the only channel I have of communicationg with you. People think because I speak from my inner self that it is ego based. It is not, but I have to use it to get it to the outside world.

Inner light is brightened by compassion, empathy. I cannot be more simple than that.

To be able to feel the pain of others is foundation of the golden rule. Because in feeling what others feel, you cannot cause pain to them without feeling it yourself. It becomes a self-reinforcing way of life.

The self still matters, but it becomes enriched by connecting to all your brothers and sisters around the world.



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MY path is leading me to this joint right now.

 

Why are you disdaining and trying to eliminate your ego ?

From your definitions, and generally, the ego you mention is your reflection upon this reality we call earth (and anything affiliated with it).

Yes it is your main interface with this reality and the other people that are interfaced with this reality, but its also the reason, cause and ancestor of your future selves.

No 'self' is less valuable or important than any other self. For, if one particular 'self' at a particular time hadnt played its part in the reality theater, not only the future self wouldnt come to realization, but also many other people's future selves wouldnt come to realization. This is a cooperative theater.

You should try to let out much of your spirit in increasing degrees via your existing 'ego' or 'self' as much as you can and evolve it further rather than trying to minimize it or oust it from your consciuousness.

 

Confused about me? I am too sometimes.

Generally, I think there is definitely more to the universe than meets the eye.I too have had experiences of farout realities etc, it's quite easy to have such experience with substances such as lsd, and I've also tried out various types of yoga etc.
Nothing I have seen makes me think though that the stock religious view, which is more or less what we're getting here is correct. All of the experiences can be explained in other ways - changed brain function being the likeliest candidate, there may be a bio-chemical explanation.

I'm not at all keen on any idea that devalues our life on earth and promises afterworlds. The only solid existence we have is here, and I tend to see the body and the individual as the basis of everything.
Our existence, as far as I can tell, is something like the universe opening a window on itself - it is through us that the universe itself knows and becomes conscious. It has taken billions of years for us to evolve, and I think the idea of some kind of return to 'unity' - a kind of undifferentiated mush is counter-intuitive, and is often a function of egotism, or of fear or incapacity to deal with real life.

There are numerous systems of thought regarding all of this, many of them contradictory, yet many claim to be 100% accurate, and the same sometimes applies to those who say they have 'seen'.
Usually, they say the mind is useless to describe or even grasp higher levels, then go on to give a big mental explanation according to their own conditioning and education, culture etc.
Unfortunatelty, sometimes such people set themselves up as gurus or whatever, and inevitably cause trouble for others.

Overall, I would describe myself as new-ager. I would say that I am for human kind, not the gods or god.

 

What interests me is you saying that the physical universe is only a small part of what exists - it really doesn't matter how many spiritual experiences you've had, I would find it hard to believe that you have a realistic perception of the scale of the physical universe. In fact, can you even imagine how big the earth is compared to your body?

Also how can we tell that these experiences of other realms are not simply part of the brain's functioning?

 

I've already answered your question as simply as I know how.

You are looking for proof and I can't give it to you, but I can invite you to that same place so you can see it for yourself. You would then understand the difficulty in explaining such a thing to someone who hasn't seen it.

As for believing what I say, it doesn't matter to me if you believe or not. There are some things in creation that are beyond belief. The only way you will ever know them is to experience them directly.

We can exhaust ourselves in an exchange of words over this. The only way to prove what I say is for you to experience it yourself.

And someday you will.



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I don't think anyone could ever approach xenon's level of absolute wisdom and power.

 

Anyone can. You have to do it for yourself, god and Jesus and Buddha can't do it for you.

Peace and love

 

The only person holding you back is your "self".



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I see that although you have transcended the ego, you're still irked. Pity, as you failed to even notice my question.
I asked 'how do you know that what you see, and say is the larger part of what exists which is hidded from we lesser mortals, isn't simply something generated and experienced within the confines of your own physical brain? I assume of course, that you accept that the brain has some role in our perceptions. You'd have done far better to answer that than preach at me.

 

I would say we could actually far surpass all this stuff if we really did begin to think for ourselves and question authority.

 

I've trancended ego? I do use it as I need to. Life needs a little salt and pepper.

I can't give you the answer you want in regards to your question and I've explained why. I know you are versed in Hinduism, so the concepts of what I talk about are not alien to you.

My invitation still stands. Come to where I am, experience what I experience, and good luck with trying to explain it to others. I do the best I can, but there are some things I can't put into words.

I can prove nothing to you, but I offer the inivitation to prove it for yourself.



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I'm not needing to prove anything to myself - and I didn't ask you to prove the authenticity of your claims. I was simply trying to get you to understand that personal experience, powerful as it is, can't be trusted 100%, and can in fact be very deceptive. Having been decieved myself in the past, I know this is so.
Usually, experiences can be explained in a number of ways, but people have their own preffered line according to their mentality and culture, emotional needs and so on.

The effects of psychoactive substances such as lsd, proves that just a tiny tweak in the chemical balance of the brain can produce many states of consciousness, including those described by mystics through the ages.
The problem for those mystics of the past was that they were nearly all invariably tied to this or that parochial tradition, and to so called 'recieved' knowledge.

One could almost say they were trapped in imaginative structures, imagined by shamans etc in the past, which had become exalted to a status of being infalible, or even 'divine revelation' - as for example with the vedas of India.

Unfortunately, the slant of most of the religious thought of the last 3,000 years or so has been decidedly anti-life and anti the body. The 'soul' is what is held to be important, the body is seen at best a mere vehicle for the soul, at worst as a bag of bile, filth, corruption etc.

It seems that those who had these experiences in the past often became unfit to live in the normal world, or do anything positive other than preach their dismal 'truths' to others to 'help' them escape this horrible material world. They even had the effrontery to demean true human values even further, and give to their actions the name of 'love'.

Well, I've been all those places you invite me one day to go when I overcome my ignorance, and so what? Does it change a single thing in this world? Not a bit of it. Nor will any amount of spacing out into so called other planes/worlds/dimensions. It's only my actions here in the real world that have any significance for anything beyond my own consciousness.
Everything is here on this plane, in this world right here.
The body is the basis of everything for us - not mind, nor some alleged soul.

What we need to do is forget the mystic mumbo jumbo and religious gibberish of the past, and learn how to actually live in harmony here in this world. This is where the awareness and so on has to be applied, or it is simply useless transcendental masturbation.

 

Not quite ready to jump out of the nest and fly yet, eh?

Thats okay. Everything happens when it needs to. This isn't a competition. There is no time limit. Its a personal journey.

Right now... you got shorted by what you used to believe in, so now you believe in whats right in front of you. You're in atheist mode. I've known people like yourself before. But someday that old hunger will come back and you'll cast your attention towards that place the mind cannot go. You KNOW the door is there. Its something everyone is born with. It's like a homing device.

It takes a lot of work to peel the mind and soul apart. You won't lose either of them in the process, but what you gain from doing so is...beyond words.

And no, you won't "fit" into this world anymore. How could you?

You've outgrown it.


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