Can a queer ever be masculine?

really, thinking about this now, it comes down to people being nosey. its really none of any ones buisness but to those that it concernces, but people think everything around them concernse them because its around them, not true. if it involves you fine, but if your just a bystander standing by then youve no right to judge. infact even if your involved youve no rigth to judge, you simply gain the right to say you do or dont want to be part of what ever the matter happens to be.

 

Wise words. I guess it all comes down to: People who live in glass houses should not throw stones? Anyway, that's one theory -- I'm certain there are 101 more...

--QP

 

I think this immortal poem is a great example of what we have discussed thus far:

The Soul selects her own Society

The Soul selects her own Society --
Then -- shuts the Door --
To her divine Majority --
Present no more --

Unmoved -- she notes the Chariots -- pausing --
At her low Gate --
Unmoved -- an Emperor be kneeling
Upon her Mat --

I've known her -- from an ample nation --
Choose One --
Then -- close the Valves of her attention --
Like Stone --

--Emily Dickinson

 

Gotta say, I missed this thread for a couple of days and after reading all posts am surprised that we all seem to agree that image is a personal trait that ppl should be free to express. If you get turned on by it good, if not good also, just let it be because someone else will find it attractive.

Here's one that I agree with.

I don't care for makeup on guys or girls actually. My wife was black and didn't need makeup. (putting makeup on beautiful brown skin is akin to gilding a lily or painting a chocolate bar purple). Once in New Orleans, a drag queen I was partying with followed me home. Kinda embarrassing since she didn't turn me on at all, especially with the cake makeup. The best I could do was compliment her for really being a convincing woman and telling her that is why I couldn't get it up for her.

An interesting point about image. As some here know I particularly like adolescent guys. Years ago at some gay event I saw this young lesbian with a short boy haircut, baseball cap, tank top with unshaved pits. She had diminutive breasts and I was completely turned on by the image. (Being bi, I could've gotten it on with her, but she would likely have kicked my butt had she known my thoughts)

It made me think whether I like adolescent boys because they still have that feminine physical quality (smooth skin, thick hair on their head, sparse beard, hairless chest).

I really resent that term "straight-acting." It ain't an act, it is my nature. It is how I learned to present myself in body language and demeaner, just like we learn our language with its regional accent, almost by osmosis as a child. So, I learned my ways from my redneck male figures that I emulated. When I later found that I loved men I didn't bother to act any different than I always had. So, the irony is that anything other than "straight-acting" for me would be an act.

Now I have seen leather, biker, gay men who were actually sissies when you got to know them. I suppose that would be str8 acting.

 

i get that. i actually find Samantha Ronson quite cute/attractive. but i still wouldn't go to bed with her, even if she wasn't a lesbian. vaginas turn it all off.

i know, but on the lack of a better and more accurate one i am reduced to using this. i agree, it's not an act. i don't put that much stress on words though, so i'm not too bothered with it.

 

An interesting point about image. As some here know I particularly like adolescent guys. Years ago at some gay event I saw this young lesbian with a short boy haircut, baseball cap, tank top with unshaved pits. She had diminutive breasts and I was completely turned on by the image. (Being bi, I could've gotten it on with her, but she would likely have kicked my butt had she known my thoughts.)--Shale

The same thing once happened to me! Janis Ian was promoting her new CD at a music store in town. Anyway, she sang 5 songs, and there were around 50 folks (mostly lesbian) enjoying the show. I couldn't take my eyes off of this one especially handsome dude (or so I thought) standing near the front of the small stage. He really was one of the most gorgeous men I'd ever seen: Short blonde hair, baby blue eyes, and was sporting baggy jeans, a loose sweater --and black sneakers. It wasn't until the end of the show that I learned the truth: When Janis asked the handsome dude for his name (she was signing copies of her new CD for fans), he replied in a low (but still feminine) voice: Sharon. Man, did my face turn red.

--QP

 

The whole "straight acting" thing has always puzzled me. I once asked a dude (when I'd first come out) what he meant by that description. He told me nobody could tell he was gay, until they had sex with him. He also added that he was disgusted by fems, drag queens, and shameless queers. I thought he was handsome, but his attitude was a turn off. So I declined his generous offer of a ride home. He didn't handle the rejection very well, and called me a bitch. Such a charming fellow.

--QP