Can acid really screw you up?

There is for all of us ,a set of societal rules,spoken and unspoken that we learn ,often by osmosis or by directly being instructed on the morals,tenets,ideals to understand , deal with and adhere to, as we grow and mature. There are untold variables of behaviour from those who are tasked with raising children ,with all experiences therefrom determining behaviour as our lives unfold. Most learned behaviour becomes habit and is "filed" into the sub-conscious and with the constant bombardment of daily stimuli, layer after layer of potentialities regarding the results of what we do,think and act upon becomes the determining factor in what manifests when psychedelics are taken. Bad brain wiring would exacerbate the potentialities for harm to oneself or others. Maybe.

All of a sudden,the very real possibility confronts one that ALL is not as it seems when pychedelisized ,and not in a gentle way! One becomes astounded by the visuals and the insights that seem to come so easily and amazingly,real or otherwise. How it's "handled" depends on so much at the time--life experiences-set and setting-attitude going into the altered state--one never knows whats coming. Mostly. The morals,tenets and ideals one has "stored" and by which they have conducted themselves ,perhaps for decades ,can appear completely ridiculous,maybe outrageous,maybe sad, maybe right on the money or any of the myriad variables of the subjective human experience. Reckon I should mention untold,unequaled joy,because that's certainly been a part of the pychedelic experience for me.

Good ,bad or indifferant,I believe it's a gift to humankind and wish that those that hate it and make laws against it, could be subjected to it hopefully to show them the error of their ways --------and that all is not as it seems. Mostly. JMO.

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In other words:


It's Psychic roulette,folks. 'ya pays yer money and 'ya takes yer chances. Hey-ya-hey-a--getcher marbles re-aligned.

 

It is possible to have a bad experience on acid which could be traumatizing and effect mental health which could potentially interfere with functioning. Also too much of it could likely do some long term damage, especially since LSD can raise the body tempature so too much LSD could harm the brain...but then getting ahold of that much acid might be a little hard.

If someone is talking to them-self stumbling on the street it does not necessarily mean acid had anything ot do with it though in some cases it might.

Also though there is the chance your brother had something sold as acid that wasn't as that happens sometimes as well.

I've taken acid and I like it, but I can see how it could be too much for some people and I can certainly see how a bad trip could be damaging, I've had a couple bad trips on mushrooms but I came out of them ok.

 

First symptoms of Schizophrenia develop in late teens and early adulthood. They can be very visible symptoms or can seem like typical teen/young adult behavior.

Sometimes it's difficult to know if anyone in your family was Schizophrenic if they weren't officially diagnosed with it, but still suffered from it. (Example: crazy aunt, grandma, uncle, etc..)

So yes, LSD, weed, shrooms, or other drugs CAN induce Schizophrenia and/or a Psychosis that might be difficult to get out of.
There's no denying it. It matters on family history or lack thereof.

 

Wrong, LSD isn't going to raise your body temp that high, a friggin' latte with an extra shot from Starfucks raises your body temp more than 10 average doses of LSD.

Physiologically LSD-25 is THE SAFEST known psychedelic. It is safer and does less physical harm than the cup of coffee with sugar I had this morning.

Sheeesh, get an education people, the info is but a few keystrokes away.

 

I wasn't talking about 10 hits, I was thinking more like 1000000 hence why I said that much acid might be hard to come by...and one would be an idiot to take that much.

It was a documentary and online sources that said it can raise body temperature, so I imagine in an extreme excess that could become a dangerous effect.

 

Okay, sure.

And;

If you have 100 hits of acid, you'll be a bit funny.

If you smoke 100 joints you'll puke and pass out.

If you have 100 shots of espresso, or 100 cigarettes, or 100 shots of whiskey, or 100 tylenol, or 100 ritilan, you'll literally die.

Get the picture?

 

To be entirely honest, I have no idea what you are trying to get at....but I will assume you'd be implying I am a disgrace or an idiot. Or its nothing like that and you are agreeing that things in extreme excess would do harm...

If I have been misinformed about LSD being able to raise body tempature, and raise it harmfully high if way too much is ingested then I am terribly sorry and should repent for spreading such terrible lies I suppose

 

You're a self implied idiot. No, not really, I just made myself laugh and wanted to hopefully share that little giggle at your expense, and for that I apologise. I'm sure hitting backspace would have been much easier than justifying what I just said but fuck it.. I'm coffee'd up to shit, and haven't left the house for a week, which could explain it cos now it doesn't seem so funny. But ANYWAY, the point is that LSD is fuckin' safe, and you gotta be almost nuts to have any chance of going nuts. Worrying about body temp is like.. walking into a cage of hungry lions and worrying about stubbing your toe on a blade of grass.

Except it's MUCH safer than that, because I've never heard of anyone being eaten by a pack of hungry blotters.

 

Yes, it's the continuation of urban myth, propaganda and general misinformation that is the issue, your ok though

A few years ago I got challenged or rather challenged some moron online to prove via medical literature all the horrible damage he was claiming LSD does.
I addressed each article he cited, explained them, and pointed out all his errors and bold-faced lies. It touched on just about every thing you have ever heard bad about LSD.

If you're interested in learning more and having a good laugh at the same time, give it a read;

http://hallicino.hubpages.com/hub/M...he-Extensive-Damage-LSD-Does-To-The-Body-Mind

(yes I was/am PB_Smith, you can look up some of the crap I have posted here under that name as well. )

 

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Too much water will kill you before too much LSD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

You're not an idiot, you're just comparing apples/oranges

An occasional heavy recreational/theraputic dose of lsd is not the same as a million hits.
2 asprin can kill a headache and 500 can kill a person but that doesn't make asprin dangerous.
The true danger is spreading harmful or misleading information not with bad intent but by simply repeating things without at least some effort at finding out for yourself.

 

Exactly. If you can type and post here, you can type and find the facts just as easily. :mickey:

 

That is fuckin' long Nox.. I tried, I honestly did, but I have been defeated.. tell my wife I love her...

 

LOL, sorry, but I had to be thorough.

Yeah the 300+ comments does make it a looooong article to say the least.

 

Haha yeah, what I read it was a good read.. smashed his shit. Interesting shit too, but wow that guy's a douche..

 

is the new sig pic one of yours?
It's awesome.

 

Aye aye, thank you sir :2thumbsup: Painted live at Cape Town jazz fest
Hence Table mountain and the piano

 

I'm saying that the overdose threshold at which LSD causes damage is many orders of magnitude greater than almost anything that exists.

I'm sure LSD can cause an increase in body temperture, but it's not linear, your skull won't turn into an oven and cook your brains if yau take too much. The other things I mentioned also cause changes in body temperture and functioning.

The point is that sure, LSD can kill you, if you consume it through a beer bong.

There is simply no reasonable situation where LSD will cause physical harm, but there are many where the other substances I listed will.

 

HPPD checking in. It's not really a debilitating problem though. Just annoying.

 

Sure there are, and it can and does, but as with everything else it comes down to probabilities.
There are enough documented cases of LSD exaggerating or manifesting an underlying illness, schizophrenia specifically as that is the only one that I can think of that has been associated with LSD. There has to be some physiological mechanism that is triggered by LSD in the schizophrenic person.
At this point it is important to point out that of all the cases I have read about where there was a long lasting detrimental effect from LSD, it has been determined that the person would have developed the illness regardless of LSD use. It just appears that LSD can be a catalyst for it to manifest early or more radically, but I firmly believe that it is a physiological function, not just "crazy thinking".

and there is HPPD which is another well documented long lasting adverse side effect of psychedelics. Again, must be a physiological response in some manner, and has been reported with as little as only one usage of a psychedelic, though that is extremely rare. Usually HPPD develops in some individuals who have made extensive use of psychedelics.

BUT, as I mentioned, it's all about the probabilities.
The probability that an average person is going to have a long lasting adverse effect from using LSD are pretty astronomical.
Plus as you mentioned Roor, the difference between the effective dose of LSD-25 and it's ld-50 is absofuckinglutely astronomical to say the least.
For a person to overdose on LSD they have to be determined.
I think around 300milligrams is lethal, but that is purely based on anecdotal info and an educated guess. But that is still like 3000+ average doses!

I know I've said before, but it does bear repeating. From follow up of studies done during the 50's-60's, the rate of people having lasting adverse effects from LSD was about >0.01%.
You run a greater risk of slipping in the shower and dying.