Caricatures about Satan (devil), by images

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  1. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Good nitemare.... nice nitemare...
     
  2. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    And does that god who you are talking about said to you that there isn't a religion of him? Who is your god exactly? What is his name? Who is that god you are talking about?


    Actually, when I wanted to write a title for this thread I wrote caricature which is By the way called caricatures in the Arabic language too but with a small difference of the way to pronounce it and but I wanted to be more sure so I read the definition for caricature:
    The word "caricature" can also apply to a person or thing that displays behaviour or mannerisms that are ridiculously exaggerated and overly stereotypical. Click
    Caricature: (?), n. 1. An exaggeration, or distortion by exaggeration, of parts or characteristics, as in a picture.
    2. A picture or other figure or description in which the peculiarities of a person or thing are so exaggerated as to appear ridiculous; a burlesque; a parody. Click

    So then I said why not using it I can see some similarities between it and cartoon, anyway it isn't a big deal.
    :) however thank you for the clarification.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  3. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    Well, in that usage of caricature, it's usually in prose or a written description.
     
  4. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    IronGoth
    I see, thanks :)

    YoursSincerely,
    CatStevens
     
  5. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Catstevens- I could not reply to your private message because your mailbox is full.


    No.
    There is only one God.
    God has many names. You call God "Allah". I call God God, or Allah, or You, or silly names when God makes me giggle.
    There is only one God, if you do not know this you do not know God. God is One.
     
  6. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    There is empty space now.

    Wow monotheism, :) I am happy to read this,
    you have answered with ''no'' when I asked you "does that god who you are talking about said to you that there isn't a religion of him?''
    So, the God that you believe in him does he have a religion? Try to look for this issue, to look for what does the God wants from us in this life to do, does he want us to believe in his existence only or to worship him too or what, what is the purpose of our creation? Go and search my brother may Allah grants you success and happiness in your this life and hereafter Amen.
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  7. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    K bro, I am on it...
    God has made lots of religions. Each for specific purposes. You know how you revealed that cool thing about Allah's name in that other thread? Well, if you put all the religions together, in each of them, you can discern a unique divine pattern that Allah has put into them.
    To enjoy Allah and our brothers and sisters companionship.

    You too. :)
     
  8. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    How did you know that? Did he tell you that? Or there is a book of him and you read this in his book? If I want to know more about your God's teaching which book I have to refer to?
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  9. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    I see.

    This is the thing, you only receive this teaching from God. There is no intermediary (book, priest, etc.). I can talk of it, but until you receive the lesson from God, you will not understand.

    It is the Day of Judgement (called "The Cleaving" (verse 82) in the Koran).
     
  10. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    How can you distinguish between whether it's from God what you have received or from your own thoughts and desires or from Satan's whisper, Oh you don't believe in him, forget it.

    What a contradiction! Oh, you aren't serious
    There is no intermediary (book) so why then you have said:
    It is the Day of Judgment (called "The Cleaving" (verse 82) in the
    Koran).
    Qur [2.85] … then do you believe in a part of the scripture and reject the rest? You just believe in that which is matching your desires and what you like, you believe in a part from each religion according to your own choice? It seems to me that?
    However, '' I worship not that which you worship '' 109:2 '' And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping" 109:4
    "To you be your religion, and to me my religion'' 109:6
    '' (either) we or you are rightly guided or in plain error'' 34:24
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  11. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    My own thoughts and desires are from God, even the ones that are incomplete or incorrect.
    There is no contradiction. You can read the books description of it after experiencing it and you recognize what it is.
    It is like knowing what gravity is after experiencing it and reading about it in a book the first time (never having seen the word gravity before). The description of the word gravity describes what it is... just like the description of the Day of Judgement describes what it is- a familiar thing which I have experienced.​
    No. I believe in God and what God has revealed to me. What is correct in the scripture, I agree with. What is incorrect in the scripture I do not agree with. I do not go by the scripture, I go by what God has taught me. There are parts of the scripture which are incorrect. For example: it is not wrong to eat pork or drink wine.
    No. I believe in what God has revealed to me. ​
    Do not elevate any scripture above your direct relationship with God. You should know this without reading it in a book. Allah is with us and cares for us.
    There is only one all powerful God. There is more than one way to worship God.
    34.43 "And when Our clear communications are recited to them, they say: This is naught but a man who desires to turn you away from that which your fathers worshipped. And they say: This is naught but a lie that is forged. And those who disbelieve say of the truth when it comes to them: This is only clear enchantment."
     
  12. catstevens

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    But what if you will not experience everything? Then you will not believe in the other things which could be 100% right. What you experienced could be totally different from one to another and one is claiming that he is receiving something or teaching from God exactly as you are saying and what he is experiencing doesn't match with yours? What a mess? You have said: It isn't up to you whether God reveals God's existence to you- it is a gift from God.
    we discussed that enough but i will add, What if a person received from God that you have to worship and believe in him and it is up to? You are claiming that God revealed to you such and such and Muhammad had said that he revealed from Allah such and such? Who shall we believe? Of course who has the evidence? You may say believe in what is revealed to you because everything is a gift! How is that? I am the army commander I will tell the soldiers : eat this its benefit and gift from me and to another one don't eat it, it is harmful, obey me, to another one don't obey me! Hey! Where are we! What are thinking about?
    your religion (Kharakovism) is unbearable mess? Glorified is you God This is mess! God isn't like this he is sage OK!

    If you will give me an answer or reply based on no evidence so keep the answer for you, I don't have time for this, keep it for you that because I believe in another God, even if you will say that God is one, for the God who you are talking about is different from mine. You have to give your self in the first place then me the proofs that what you are talking about is from god every body can claim. However let's put an end to this mockery, it isn't a serious discussion, we are just repeating the same issues in different ways.

    It is really unbearable contradictions, you said in post # 27

    And you said that god is one, and you said:

    And


    All of them are huge contradictions? If God has made lots of religions as you said then don't sneer at Islamic prohibitions for we are one of his religions!!
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  13. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    How can you distinguish between the correct and incorrect? What is your criterion? Why did choose this criterion specifically? If it is from god, how did your God tell you about this criterion, in a book, dream, or what? If you will give me an answer based on no evidence so keep the answer for you, that because I believe in another God.


    Tell me more about the other ways. Or keep it.

    According to what you based this result?
    [2.169]
    He (Satan) commands you only what is evil and shameful and that you should say against Allah what you know not (that which you have no knowledge)
    [22.8]
    And among men is he who disputes about Allah, without knowledge or guidance, or a book of enlightenment (from Allah) 9. Bending his neck in pride (far astray from the path of Allah) and leading (others) too (far) astray from the path of Allah (disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the path of Allah

    [34.43] and when our clear verses are recited to them.
    What are these clear verses? If you will give me an answer based on no evidence so keep the answer for you , that because I believe in another God.


    1. Who brought this verse 34.43 to us from Allah? Of course Muhammad who didn't claim that he made it up. This is naught but a man this man is Muhammad, so Allah is saying, that when his clear verses are recited to them by Muhammad they say this is naught, so I am following this man who brought this Quraan from Allah.

    What is that truth? If you will give me an answer based on no evidence so keep the answer for you, that because I believe in another God.
    Keep your belief and i will keep mine
    Yours Sincerely,
    Cat Stevens
     
  14. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Rely upon God's discipline. God will show you whether something is right or wrong.

    A person can read a book describing something, never having seen it, and have a different picture in their mind then what the book describes.



    Allah does not give us what is bad. Allah directs our steps. Even pain (discipline) is a gift, although those who lack discipline (fools) rage against it for they do not perceive that it is for their own good.



    So, Allah cannot joke with Allah's children? Don't eat the pork, I will send you to hell for that great evil.

    No, but yours is pretty silly. Bowing to Mecca? The whole idea is silly. Then again, the Christian idea of worshiping Jesus is just as silly. I can't really single out a single religion as completely serious. God has placed jokes in every single one. Seriously, you have to get God's sense of humor.
    The prohibition against pork is totally silly. When I was a child, yet to perceive God's presence, my parents served me pork chops, sausage, etc. God would not cause a child to be born into a situation in which it will eat something that is bad for it. For some reason, my parents never feed me cyanide or pesticides, probably because they would harm me. Of course, I am allergic to shellfish (as God has made me), and if I eat them I will throw up and get sick. Perhaps God has caused some arabs to be allergic to pork chops, in which case it is good for the main religion in the area to prohibit eating them, just in case. Perhaps, because Allah has made so many allergic to peanuts, a prohibition against peanut containing foods should be added to the Koran. Then again, most people aren't allergic to peanuts, but it is a dangerous allergy. Then again, God can ressurect us into a new body not allergic to peanuts.​
    You never know what pranks God will pull on our next body. Perhaps we will be allergic to Mecca.​
    I laugh at your religious prohibitions (as you should), I do not sneer at them. I am sure God causes me to do things that will make you laugh as well. I won't tell you what they are though. Not yet. ​
    Perhaps after God legitimizes my religion, you can laugh at it. I won't mind. I am not a proud soul, I am but a humble soul within God's almighty presence.​
     
  15. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    I am with God. God causes me to feel whether a path is correct or incorrect. You know how you can follow a trail by looking at it, or if it is dark, you can follow it because the path is harder then the surrounding soil and plants? I sense God, what God wishes me to do, and I want to do it, for I know that God's will is good.
    Those who are blind follow other paths. They follow the paths of laws and prohibitions, because these souls are hardened against God, they do not feel God's presence guiding them in every decision, so they need something other than God's presence. ​
    It is from God. Divine guidance. Books, dreams, words with strangers, Qadar, etc.
    I have knowledge, guidance, and many books of enlightenment that come from God.
    God will teach you the truth once you are broken. You must be broken, like every soul, so that you understand that all that happens is Allah's will.
     
  16. catstevens

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    OK, what he showed me is right he showed you (as you claim) is wrong! What a mess! Come on! I can claim you can every body can.

    1. Cannot joke! You once said:

    And:


    2. Allah doesn't have children.

    I said:

    You replied:

    So you have a religion then? Which is an innovation innovated from you. How many are your followers prophet Kharacov?

    Dear, I am neither bowing to Mecca (city) nor Kabba I am bowing to Allah, the Kabba which Muslims turn towards when praying, and Allah commanded us all Muslims to bow to him in the prayer towards the Kabba.

    image 1 image 2

    You get firstly completely serious in this issue (God) and his true religion).

    Parents would cause a child to be born into a situation in which it will eat something that is bad for it.
    YoursSincerely,

    CatStevens
     
  17. catstevens

    catstevens Muslim Top To Toe

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    Don't say for some reason, or probably they would harm me of course you know the answer, but wait prophet you said that everything is a gift from God so cyanide or pesticides are gifts too it isn't harmful! Exactly as the cigarette!


    No dear prophet, if God has caused some arabs to be allergic to pork chops, in which case it is good for the main religion in the area to prohibit eating them as you said so why did Allah state in his book that we have to convey the message (Islam) for non-Arab too, rather to all mankind, black and white? And when I say the message or Islam it is includes its prohibition, commands and everything related to it.


    Actually you can find this prohibition has been added in the Quraan somehow, do you know how, when Allah commanded us that whatever harms you then you shouldmust leave it to don't harm yourself and harming yourself is prohibited dear prophet in Islam.


    My religious prohibitions came from my religion which is one of God's religions as you claimed that he made many religions, you didn't laugh you described them as silly so you are sneering at it! And when you described it silly that means you are describing God with it as well? You said that not eating pork is silly then you said your theory about allergy!! Once you take it (the prohibition of eating pork) as a wisdom once as a joke?

    Now get real and serious OK!!!



    Again, I will repeat, I can claim too as everybody else that God causes me to feel whether a path is correct or incorrect, e.g. I said example, you felt that Islam is incorrect and I felt that Islam is correct and we together claiming that God causes us to feel so! What a mess! Again, I am the army commander I will tell the soldiers : eat this its benefit and gift from me and to another one don't eat it, it is harmful, obey me, to another one don't obey me! What a mess? What a mockery!! What an insane army commander, he wouldn't can make army ever never. So you are talking about your own desires and thoughts and if you will repeat your desires from god I already discussed this so please stop this whirligig. OK for it won't end.


    Well, prophet! If I will talk as you are doing then I could say, well, you still didn't receive from God what I received you still in one of its primary levels to get to our level, so work hard ! my regards.


    I asked you:


    You replied:


    And:


    I once asked you post # 29: there is a book of him (Allah)? You replied:


    And this contradiction isn't new , however please don't comment on this you already did and I commented on it so please stop it for this is an infinite whirligig, so keep it.

    But name these books please.


    Again If I will talk as you are doing then I could say: You still aren't in our level which is higher than yours, work hard.

    Please we took off the topic enough; continue in the private messages if you want to but without repeating i.e. the infinite whirligig.

    YoursSincerely,

    CatStevens

     
  18. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Ok. Allah cannot joke. And I except that all of the children ever created by Allah are not Allah's. :p

    Religion (from m-w.com) : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
    None.
    Ok.
     
  19. Kharakov

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    Some you shouldn't eat. Like pork, cyanide, and wine. Unfortunately for me, Allah feeds me pork and wine (although they have not killed me yet). Perhaps Allah has made me stronger than you, which is why I can drink wine, eat pork, and smoke cigarettes. Perhaps it is best if you do not do these things, because Allah has made you weaker.

    Seriously, don't you think it's funny to tell someone they will go to hell for eating a pork chop? Perhaps your religion is the funniest religion there is. Since it is a joke, I think Allah wants everyone to hear it.


    I agree.



    Yes. God is silly. So are you. I am not though. I have the power of not being silly, which no other being in the universe has (because God is silly).

    You aren't making it very easy.


    You just have to perceive Islam correctly. If you take it seriously, you don't get it.

    Yeah, God is pretty funny. I love God.

    Whirligig!!! I want one.
    Yes. But word your words mean the same thing to you when they come from your mouth as my words mean to me?

    Koran. Bible. The Taking. Etc. Lots of books by God.

    No. I won't work hard.
    But I like the whirligig. It is so funny. Whirligiggles and stuff..
     
  20. IronGoth

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    Cat: let me ask you this.

    If Issa is a prophet, and Issa ate "forbidden" (haram) food saying "it's not what goes into your mouth that condemns you but what comes out" then why is it that Allah later reversed direction again and prohibited swine, etc? Was Issa lying?

    Here's what I don't get about Islam. The Koran contradicts the Injil, yet you're supposed to respect the Injil?
     
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