Caricatures about Satan (devil), by images

Hey! Why my font size is large in post # 37! I didn't choose this size!
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Kharakov
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That's why, I felt you are not discussing seriously, and for many other examples too.
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Ah, you aren't serious you know that, you based that on what, or you know forget it, don't answer, for this is an infinite unbearable whirligig
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Rather, you still didn't reach to my higher level than yourJ
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Not at all. What is the funny thing here? This is a command from my beloved Allah, and I will obey him, however, it is prohibited to have sex with your mum or sister and committing prohibitions leads to hell? Is that funny too? Can you have sex with your sister? If every body will consider this is good and that is bad, this is prohibited and that is lawful according to his point of view and desires, this is mess, I will follow Allah's commands, that's it, and I don't need to read your comment on this because you aren't serious.
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Yeah Allah wants us to convey his message so the other will know his religion, it isn't a joke at all, it is a religion which is accepted by sane, disciplinedè (not those who are joking around all the time for a reason and no reason) and serious people etc.
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I am not though. I have the power of not being sillyè I think you know yourself or can know it from this discussion whether if you are silly (unserious) or not, except if you have another description for silly.
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Please God forgive me and forgive us all, actually he doesn't know you very well as you know God because if so he wouldn't say this,…………………………. Yeah my heart broke several times in this forum but I will go on.
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I wish whenever you want to describe God in such things describe me instead, sneer at me, curse me, instead of him as much as you like and I will always forgive you even if you won't ask me to do so, for you will remain my Allah's creature.
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I know from where I can perceive it correctly of course not from you.
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It seems that the God who are you talking about is you includes your desires and thoughts, not the creator for he is a super intelligent and not behaving childishly and according to his mood ( as the army commander in the above example) for he is perfect and just and sage all the time. Quraan: Glorified is your Lord, the Lord of Honour and power! (He is free) from what they attribute to Him!
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Surely my beloved my lord, I bear witness on this.
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Go and buy one you know where you can find it.
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Whirligig n. 1 spinning or whirling toy. 2 merry-go-round. 3 revolving motion.
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If I will talkas you are doing then I could say, well, you still didn't receive from God what I received you still in one of its primary levels to get to our level, so work hard ! my regards
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And surely my level is higher than your. The sage, sane, and disciplined level, and the level for people who can leave doing things for they can handle, endure and bear with it; they aren't weak as children who cannot control themselves when they see chocolates.
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Stop this mockery; please you know this isn't a serious discussion so I really don't have time to waste it.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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IronGoth ​

No, I won't let you; just kidding you are more than welcome​

He is a prophet and a messenger of Allah and will return someday, guaranteed.​

Issa neither have never eaten haram nor lied, impossible.​

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Of course I should respect the (Injil) gospel, may Allah take my soul before I disrespect the Gospel.​

My dear brother IronGoth, you have to know the following:​

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Firstlyè (beloved Jesus & the Gospel)​

1- Allah stated in Quraan:​

2:136: say (O Muslims), '' we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and to [the offspring of the twelve sons of Jacob] and that which has been given to Moses and Jesus è (Gospel), ….''​

Accordingly, Jesus is a prophet of Allah and Gospel has been revealed to him from Allah.​

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Secondlyè (the corruption)​

2-What happened was that all of these prophets (before Muhammad p.b.u.h) were not well received by the majority of the people, for instance they started tampering [corruption] with the teachings of Moses and Jesus peace be upon them. That is why Allah has sent Muhammad with the last Message (i.e. the Quraan) to bring all of mankind back to the true belief and to worship one God, without partners or intermediaries.​

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E.g.1:​

Matthew: 15: 3:​

And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?… 6:… Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.7: You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you8:These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.9:they worship me in vain; their teaching are but rules taught by men.​

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Quraan: 2: 79:​

Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, ''This is from Allah'' …Woe to them for what their hands have written​

Quraan: 2:85:​

… Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest?​

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E.g.2:​

A- Is God One or Three?​

B- Is Jesus God or Part of God?​

(Matthew: 19.16-17) (In the New International Version)​

Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”​

(Matthew: 19.16-17) (In King James Version)​

One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do,​

that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good (*)? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

Compare between the colored sentences with orange and blue in NIV and KJV​

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(*) Why callest thou me good? Or in modern English, “Why do you call me good?” We wouldn’t find this wording and meaning in some Bibles! This text is found in King James Version. ​

Several questions can be asked about the above verses.​

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1 “Why do you call me good?” Why did Jesus question his own goodness?​

2 Jesus emphatically stated that “there is none good but one, that is,​

God” Why did he refer to the one God as the “good” one only?​

3 Why did he exclude himself from being good, if he were God?​

4 Jesus explicitly pointed out that “if thou wilt enter into life, keep the​

Commandments” Why didn’t Jesus command the questioner to believe​

in him (Jesus) as God in order to enter into eternal life?​

Quraan: Allah stated: [4.171]​

O people of the scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Merry was (no more than) a messenger of Allah and his word (''Be!" -and he was) which he bestowed on Merry and a spirit created by him, so believe in Allah and his messengers. Say not: "three (trinity)! Cause! (It is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) one god, glorified is He (far exalted is He) above having a son ​

Mark: 12:28-29:​

28:one of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him" of all the commandments, which is the most important?''29:'' the most important one'' answered Jesus '' is this: hear, O Israel, the lord our God, the lord is one.​

So, Allah told us that the Torah and gospel have been corrupted; therefor Allah has sent Muhammad with the last Message (i.e. the Quraan) ​

Quraan: 15:9:​

Verily, I, it is I who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. Quraan) and surely I will guard it (from corruption).​

Quraan: 27:76:​

Verily, this Quraan narrates to the Children of Israel most of that in which they differ.​

Matthew; 21: 43:​

… The kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.​

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YoursSincerely,​

CatStevens​

 

IronGoth ​

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Thirdlyè (Gospel or the Bible)​

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For Muslims the Qur’an is the last but not the only holy book revealed by Allah to mankind through His messengers. It is, however, the only holy book which remained intact from the time of its revelation until the present time. No addition, deletion, or interpolation found its way into the Qur’an. As such, Muslims do not need any other scriptures to base their faith on, either in full or in part.
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On the other hand, it is erroneous to think that Muslims reject the Bible in too and do not accept a single passage of it. There are at least two reasons for this:
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a) One of the main articles of faith in Islam is the belief in all prophets and messengers sent before the advent of the last of them, Prophet Muhammad. This also necessitates believing in the holy books revealed to those prophets in the original forms of their revelation;
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b) The fact that the transmission of earlier revelations, prior to the Qur’an suffered from inaccuracies and misinterpretations does not justify a total and categorical rejection of such scriptures. There are bound to be some passages and portions of the Bible whose essence, if not wording, need not be rejected by Muslims.
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Criterion of Acceptance
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What is the Muslim basis or criterion for accepting or not accepting portions or passages from the Bible? The Qur’an itself provides such criterion:
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“And I have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Quraan) in truth, confirming the Scripture (Books) that came before it, and a watch over it .... “ (Qur’an 5:48)
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This emphasizes two main aspects of the Qur’an:
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a) The Qur’an confirms those teachings or passages of previous scriptures which remained intact.
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b) The Qur’an is the last, complete, authoritative and authentic revelation. It is the final arbiter and the only criterion to correct any inaccuracy or misinterpretation which might have occurred in the transmission of scriptures. It helps in discovering human additions to or interpolations of previous revelations, even as it reveals possible deletions which might have taken place through the centuries prior to its revelation (the Qur’an). Indeed one of the names of the Qur’an is al-Furqan (the criterion which distinguishes between right and wrong, truth and falsehood).
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It follows therefore that a Muslim has no reason to reject the essence of any passage in the Bible if such a passage is confirmed by the Qur’an. For example, we read in the New Testament a reiteration of one of the Ten Commandments:
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“And Jesus answered him. The first of all commandments is hear, 0 Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord” (Mark 12:29)
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A Muslim who reads this passage in the Qur’an can find no objection to its essence. After all the Qur’an confirms:
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“Say He is Allah, the One and Only (God)” (The Qur’an 112:1)
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You get it not dear IronGoth , I respect the gospel and I put it next to Quraan in the same shelf.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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IronGoth ​

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If that passage isn't corrupt then, let's read it together
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Matthew: 15: 11:
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What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean', but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean'… 15: Peter said, Explain the parable to us"… 17: Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18: but the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean'. 19: for out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20: these are what make a man 'unclean', but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean'.
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So,
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1- When you read * what goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean' and * but the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean' 19: for out of the heart come evil thoughts, theft, false testimony, slander. Do things that come out of the mouth which come from heart, such as evil thoughts, theft etc make you unclean virtually? So this is metaphor that's why Peter said 15: Peter said, explain the parable to us" yeah perhaps he meant that it makes your soul unclean but, è2
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2- Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? He didn't mean swine; actually he is talking generally that whatever enters to the stomach it get out the body later, even if you will swallow a rope or a nail.
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3- Jesus peace be upon him gave this parable why? Not to show us that everything every food is lawful, but a comment on this: Matthew [15, 2] why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat! So when you read Matthew [15, 20] he (Jesus) said: but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean'è Which is a continuation of his above parableè 11: What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean'. So he is talking about eating with unwashed hands.
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Besides to that,
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Does there a verse in the bible say that Jesus ate pork? If no, he is following the laws of Moses and Moses didn't eat pork.
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Leviticus [chapter: 11]
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4: Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them … 7: And the swine, because he parteth the hoof, and is cloven-footed, but cheweth not the cud, he is unclean unto you. 8: Of their flesh ye shall not eat, and their carcasses ye shall not touch; they are unclean unto you.
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Peace and love
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Ewww.



I will tell you something about prohibitions I was thinking last night. My girlfriend likes to have an even number of ice cubes in her glass. I think it is totally silly, but I will usually put an even number of ice cubes in her glass because I love her. I think it is the same with not eating pork. It is good if you decide to do this, although Allah already said "It is not what goes into a Man that corrupts him, but what comes out of his mouth." Last night, Allah told me that Allah did come to earth as Jesus (the reason, which Allah did not need to tell me, is to mold Allah's children's thoughts with the word (words) and actions).

Yes. Allah has caused the message to be conveyed, and it is good. I still believe the prohibitions against pork and wine are silly, like my girlfriends "prohibition" against an odd number of ice cubes in her glass. This does not mean you should dismiss the prohibition- it is part of what Allah has given you as a unique individual within Allah's loving intent. You must understand though, that Allah has taught me differently- that pork and wine is not wrong. Perhaps at a later time in my life, these things will not be appropriate, but for now I accept what Allah brings me with love.​

Surely Allah displays the correct attributes at the correct time, as it is appropriate to mold our understanding. ​

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The God I am talking about has created my desires and thoughts so that I may desire to know Allah. Allah is super intelligent, and Allah is the creator of emotion, thought, desire, and all things. Allah makes a divine pattern for us to perceive, as a gift, so that we may know and understand Allah (at one point with limited understanding, but as we mature, Allah can teach us of Allah's greatness).​

I rely upon Allah's guidance. Surely, Allah has placed checks and balances within me that say "I desire this, but not at the wrong time, I will wait until Allah moves my hand to take what is there (when Allah's will dictates)." To lose the oneness of being Allah's creation is to not know that Allah guides our every move (even those actions which we claim as our own).

Allah does not begin creating a soul and set it aside unfinished. We are in Allah's will now, and Allah's will molds our desires to be more aware of Allah's goodness. To say that a man is the one controlling these things is to set the man apart from Allah, to distance his thoughts from his creator, for him to not know that his creator is guiding his every step. This is the sin of pride, that a man credits himself with the good that Allah works with him.

 

Here's what Matthew has to say

10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen and understand. 11What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

12Then the disciples came to him and asked, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?"

13He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14Leave them; they are blind guides.[e] If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

15Peter said, "Explain the parable to us."

16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "

Question:

Is it considered haraam to eat without washing one's hands? Apparently the Prophet Mohammed said to do so. This contradicts Issa.

 

Kharakov
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Allah??!! Stated this!
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However, I already commented on that verse in post 44
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However this is one of the Kharakovism teachings and explaination, and of course I won't follow it, because I am a Muslim.
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And that's explaining your description for him as …………
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However, regarding the rest of your response which I didn't comment on it some, is repeated and we already discussed it and some is related to Kharacovism religion.
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IronGoth
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Wow, I really feel good when I talk about Muhammad and Jesus peace be upon them.
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The answer: I have never heard that a Muslim should wash his hands before eating, myself I eat several times without doing so when I am in hurry.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Then there is no contradiction. Excellent.

 

Kharakov
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So, because I love my God (Allah) I will obey him and I will do what ever he wants from me without any discussion, that's why I am a Muslim and a slave * of Allah.
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I am not following it because I am greedy for greater bounties and rewards, I love Allah, and I will do whatever he wants from me.
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Quraan: 3:31: my love Allah states:
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Say (O Muhammad to mankind): ''if you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quraan and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, and Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
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So if I really love Allah then I have to obey him and follow his commands and if I will do this he will love me
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*When I say slave I mean like the slave who obey his sir, I obey my Lord Allah,
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Muslims is the adjective of the noun Islam: is an Arabic term which means: ''submission'', points to the fundamental religious creed which dictates that a Muslim submits to the will of Allah, conforming inwardly and outwardly to his lows. i.e.: the right way of life consisting of submission to whatever God has instructed.
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And as a Muslim and as long as I am sure that the Quraan is his word then I don't argue any of his commands because I trust God and I have to obey him and beyond his allowing and prohibition a reason (wisdom) or a test etc, even if I didn't realize the wisdom. I know he wants my advantage.
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IronGoth
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I wish you are a believer in Jesus' return, peace be upon him.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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I do it because I have to. Not that I don't love Allah, but I don't do what Allah wants because I love Allah. I do what I want because I love Allah. Truthfully, Allah does not want a bunch of ass kissers who do what Allah says even if it is what they do not desire. Allah wants strong, brave souls that go for what they want. Part of what I want is a relationship with Allah and the rest of our extended family (brothers and sisters). Part of what I want is pleasure. Part of what I want is for my will to be perfected, so that when my will is granted it does not harm me. ​

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Self interest, my brother, which includes caring for others, and dealing with what pain I must conquer to get what I want.​

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Yes, Allah wants your advantage because it is Allah's wisdom that states that happy creations = happy Allah. Of course, Allah has some emotional issues to deal with, and I help Allah deal with them by confronting them as if they were my own.

 

"Suck my dick, bitch."