Catholic and Bi

The only relevant piece of information is your age. At 15 years your mind is going through tremendous change which will encompass all possibilities of sexuality, especially in the open society we now inhabit.

Give youself a break and wait till you become an adult.

 

I don't think their is any abuse going on, you just want to use your powers as a Mod to limit free speech because people are telling you things you don't want to hear. I have not seen one personal attack, just healthy debate. Calm yourself. Given the topic of the discussion it is completely relavent to offer alternatives besides trying to be Gay and Christian (I don't even know how you can defend this, it's a clear cut issue throughout the bible, NO HOMOSEXUALITY) Your overstepping your bounds here, and when acting as a moderator you need to take your personal feelings off the table, this site is about free speech, not your personal ideology. Get a grip.

 

Ok I have had some more questions about this thread, just in case anybodies wondering if some christians came on this thread and told us that being bisexual was wrong and proceeded to show proof of it over 4 or 5 posts, my response would be just the same, I think it is completely possible to say to the original poster, no i don't think christianty and bisexuality go together without going on about how a religion is wrong over 5 posts, as soon as it gets to that, then all one is trying to do is covert everyone in the thread to that way of thinking, be that pro christian or antichristian.
I have never accused anyone of abusing anyone else, rather abusing the thread and taking it off topic in order to do a personnal campain to meet your own needs. 5 posts of why the bible doesn't condone homosexuality was never what the OP was asking for
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Samhain, you deleted my post because you didn't like what I had to say, not because of any personal attack, you are censoring. I have reported you to Skip.

 

Wow, your really into this censorship thing aren't you? If you want to silence an opposing side of your ideology, perhaps you shouldn't DO it on a freespeech site.

 

I am now considering this thread to be under investigation, it may be opened again afterwards, i have had to delete a lot of messages on here
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i know lots of christians who are very open minded, some churches that are perfectly ok with their members being gay or bi or poly or whatever the fuck they wanna do. not the churches job to look into the publics bedroom in my opinion, and theirs. i don tknow if theyr cathocli or protestant or any further denominations but there are lots of open minded christians and churches out there. and i think that youre the only one who can decide whats right for you, not religion haters and not gay haters

 

this thread has now been opened again, after a discussion with the team, it has been diecided that i was being biased thinking that this thread was being abused.
on a personnal level I do still think that this could be turned into an anti christian debate, which i don't think will be very productive, however that is besides the point and if that is how you wish this thread to go its down to you
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1. Not all Christians believe that homosexuality is wrong. You're making a mass generalization that does nothing for your argument. I know many Christians who are completley accepting of my sexuality. Besides, they don't have to accept it, just like how I don't accept their beliefs. However, I do not stoop down to their level and denounce their faith because I do not agree with it. (I'm not saying all Christians are gay bashers). Let people be free and live how they please!

2. As someone stated above, most Christians do not rely heavily(or use at all) on the old testmament. Therefore making your claims invalid. I'm not saying there aren't any because I know there are quite a few. However, the general population of Christians do not follow the old testament. Christians follow the teachings of Christ, Jesus wasn't introduced until the New Testament (I'm sure you're already aware of this, just pointing it out for others). The bible may be close-minded as you claim, however you're opinions are just as closeminded as those who wrote the Old Testament. Accept everyone for who they are! When one belittles and denounces ideas other than their own, I wouldn't really say they're being openminded. You're just as bad as the people you have such disgust for.

3. You're absolutely correct. It all comes down to translation and interpretation. I find it hard to believe that there are Christians who follow the bible word for word, it all comes down to each individuals interpretation of the scripture. Besides, as I stated before, most do not follow the writings in the Old Testament. Every individual is different, some believe in gay bashing while many do not. When you begin to bash someones religion because you find it inferior to your own beliefs your exactly like the evangelicals protesting gay marriage.

Dirtyvibe, I hope you don't feel like this is a personal attack of any sort. I completley agree with everything you're saying. However, I believe the fashion in which your conveying your beliefs is harmful and belittling to those who believe in Christianity.

Back to the topic: As a gay athiest I think It is important to follow a religion that speaks to you, inspires you, etc. If it feels right then follow it, regardless of your sexual orientation.

 

yes I agree
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Do you believe that there is such a thing as absolute morality, by which I mean some moral obligation that extends across the whole of mankind?

Isn't it all a matter of personal opinion? I mean, the vast majority if not all of posters on this thread (including myself) think that any sexual orientation (bi, homo, hetero, poly etc.) is acceptable. We believe that there should be equal rights for all people - gay, straight, transgendered or whatever.

All I am saying is that just because we believe it, does that make it right, and should it be extended across the whole world? What makes the things that are right for us more right than the things which are right for other people e.g. some Catholics, Muslims etc? To us it is clear that we are in the right. To them it is clear that they are in the right. To us, it seems completely wrong to punish and shame people for something which is natural. To them it seems completely wrong to go against the word of God. Isn't it all about the way in which we have been brought up, and the experiences we have gone through? If you have been brought up, like me, in a family where everything is acceptable and anyone that tells you otherwise is an ignorant bigot, then that is most likely what you will believe. If you spend your whole life being told that being gay is wrong and unnatural, then you will believe that as well, because you have no reason to think that the people around you are wrong.

What makes anything right? We all consider murder to be wrong, but murder is natural. Look at mating animals, some will fight to the death in order to find a partner. We have decided that murder is wrong, but who has decided this? Not our generation, nor the ones before. A long time ago, thousands of years ago, it was generally agreed that murder is wrong and that was passed on down to us, and now society in general simply believes that it is wrong without particularly considering the reasoning behind it. However, it is still natural.

This wasn't at all intended to be either homophobic or aggressive, so I'm sorry if that's how it comes across. It was just a random thought that got longer and longer as I tried to explain it properly. It is also completely off-topic, sorry about that

To the OP: You are definitely not the only one out there, not at all. I used to be Christian, but it kind of faded out before I realised I was bi. If I had still been Christian though, my sexuality would not have affected my religion nor my religion my sexuality. Just do whatever you feel comfortable with - even if you do belong to a religion, you do not have to do everything that everyone else does. Faith is not about following rules laid down by others, it is about what you believe.

I think there is some kind of group out there - I can't remember the name off the top of my head but it's something like LGBT Christians which is for other people in your situation. It's got a pretty good website, with advice and forums and all, check it out if you can find it.

 

Some of you have quoted the seemingly anti-homosexual passages in the bible:

A. These passages were written in a different time, with different contexts; they were written by humans and more importantly, were translated by humans. There are a good number of websites / writings dealing with the ambiguity of the translations over the years - in the previously mentioned passages, and others as well. Those words that have been construed as being negative to homosexuals do not necessarily reveal the original intent.

B. That being said, Catholicism is FAMOUS for being the "Not only the bible" people. The Catholic church bases many of their beliefs / policies on tradition. Otherwise, there would be women priestesses, historically more tolerance for other religions and sects of Christianity, and anyone who works on Sunday should be executed.

Look close and you will find many mind-warping contradictions....

My advice, fill your head with knowledge and then believe what is in your heart, not what any institution / other person tells you. God did not make us all so unique with the intent that we would praise Him in some standardized way.

 

Y'all might wanna check this site out:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_bibl.htm

 

This is probably gonna be my last post in this thread b/c I'm not out to really argue against religion, just point out why I think the OP should be able to feel comfortable being who she is and not be Christian at the same time.

But, evidence? I don't mean any I-know-this-to-be-trues-in-my-heart, or I felt this after a loved one died, or I talked to so-and-so in my head, or I had this experience mumbo jumbo; I mean real, hardcore scientific data to support the God thesis (There is a God.) that people are basing moral values on. If you feel that goes beyond the scope of the thread then feel free to PM me because I've been looking for this evidence for a while.

 

I don't know which made me laugh more you NOT making a stand against religion, or the bit that she should be comfortable being who she is, did it not occur to you that her religion could be as big a part of her as her sexuality?
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I believe that being rational about all parts of your life is the happiest way to live. Even though the transition from superstition in some parts of your mind to reason may hurt, in my opinion the end result is worth it: a more intelligent, balanced human being.

 

some people have prejudices about sexuality, some about religion
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I think you are on your way to being more well balanced by believing what makes you happy. Of course there are exceptions. I don't think you are well balanced if your beliefs that make you happy are persecuting others for how they were born or to beat kittens to death, but otherwise as long as you aren't harming others, believe what you want and whatever helps motivate you to get up in the morning.

 

To clarify, when I said "with your heart", I meant "feel with all the facilities you have: rational mind, physical senses, intuition, and emotion."

Umm evidence of God.... well, that's another thread.

 

i think i love you!!!