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  1. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    I think that christians have a hard time remembering that the bible is a manual for how they should live their lives, not for how they should expect the entire world to live, and certainly not a tool to push a political agenda. Use the bible to keep yourself on track with god's demands, not to degrade and demean other's who do not. Christians are Christ's example unto the world. Judgement, paticularly with a unrighteous attitide, is strictly condemned in the bible. I would certainly consider name-calling and other slurs in relation to people whom you think are less then perfect as far from righteous.
     
  2. chance

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    Its a baby boy or girl, they are alive. They are not dead or somewhere between dead and alive. They are alive and growing and all good, decent moms love and protect their fragile babies.
     
  3. chance

    chance Member

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    Hey sera, we who are referred to as "values voters", while not an exculsively Christian group of people, we will continue to push and promote the values that are right and promote the well-being of families and communities. We will promote laws like Thou Shall Not Murder and continue to encourage our government to legislate morality.

    "Judge with righteous judgment" --Jesus Christ
     
  4. chance

    chance Member

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    So are they dead or alive?
     
  5. chance

    chance Member

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    I got the reference from a friend who is very well-read and has over a decade of experience ministering to homos and fomos.
     
  6. chance

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    So, what are they? Why won't you give an answer? Are preborn babies DEAD or ALIVE?
     
  7. Sera Michele

    Sera Michele Senior Member

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    Your attitude reaks of self-righteousness. I fail to see any display of righteousness in any of your postings that puts you in a position to pass judgement on others. All I see is the desire to be right and stick it to these evil liberal christian do-gooders. Venom, intolerance and hate is what I see in your words - not morality, righteousness, and concern for your fellow man.

    "Judge with righteousness judgement" isn't a license to act like an ass in jesus' name.
     
  8. chance

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    Oh yeah? Does the same go for you too then? If you believe that no one can judge anyone then you must stop posting on this forum and you must stop doing your show.

    I will continue to expose evil and defend the innocent.

    [size=+1]Proverbs 24:11 Deliver [those who] are drawn toward death, And hold back [those] stumbling to the slaughter.[/size]

    [size=+1]Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose [them.][/size]
     
  9. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Should we not try and stop the battles that seem to have no end (ie Homosexuality, abortion)?
     
  10. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    I totally agree with chance because he is closer to the Bible... these others are closer to the world.
     
  11. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Yet if a husband were to punch his pregnant wife in the stomach and kills the "unborn" baby... he usually is tried for murder... hmmm
     
  12. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    How could something that isn't alive... grow? Have a heart beat? Breathe? Move?
     
  13. chance

    chance Member

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    Let's see what the scientists have to say about it since you can't seem to bring yourself to give a response.

    "We introduced an affidavit from a professor of medicine detailing 19 textbooks on the subject of embryology used in medical schools today which universally agreed that human life begins at conception… those textbooks agree that is when human life begins. The court didn’t strike that down—the court couldn’t strike that down because there was a logical/biological basis for that law." --Patrick A. Trueman in a 1975 brief before the Illinois Supreme Court On The Unborn Child

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    In biology and in medicine, it is an accepted fact that the life of any individual organism reproducing by sexual reproduction begins at conception...." --Harvard University Medical School’s Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, The Subcommittee on Separation of Powers, Report to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, First Session, 1981

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    The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter—the beginning is conception. This straightforward biological fact should not be distorted to serve sociological, political or economic goals." --Dr. Watson A. Bowes, Jr., The Subcommittee on Separation of Powers...

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    The standard medical texts have long taught that human life begins at conception...I am no more prepared to say that these early stages represent an incomplete human being than I would be to say that the child prior to the dramatic effects of puberty... is not a human being. This is human life at every stage albeit incomplete until late adolescence." --Dr. Alfred Bongiovanni, The Subcommittee on Separation of Powers...

    "The exact moment of the beginning [of] personhood and of the human body is at the moment of conception." --Dr. McCarthy De Mere, The Subcommittee on Separation of Powers...

    "Each individual has a very unique beginning, the moment of its conception...The human nature of the human being from conception to old age is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence." --Dr. Jerome Lejeune, The Subcommittee on Separation of Powers...

    "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception...Now we can say, unequivocally, that the question of when life begins…is an established scientific fact…. It is an established fact that all life, including human life, begins at the moment of conception." --Hymie Gordon, The Subcommittee on Separation of Powers...

    "Physicians, biologists, and other scientists agree that conception marks the beginning of the life of a human being—a being that is alive and is a member of the human species. There is overwhelming agreement on this point in countless medical, biological, and scientific writings." --Concluding Report of The Subcommittee on Separation of Powers, Report to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, First Session, 1981

    "It is incorrect to say that the biological data cannot be decisive…. It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception, when the egg and sperm join to form the zygote, and that this developing human always is a member of our species in all stages of its life." --Professor Roth, Harvard University Medical School

    "There is one fact that no one can deny; human beings begin at conception." --Landrum B. Shettles, M.D., Ph.D.

    "A doctor must always bear in mind the importance of preserving human life from the time of conception until death." --International Code of Medical Ethics
     
  14. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    Chance with the Checkmate...
     
  15. NaykidApe

    NaykidApe Bomb the Ban

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    There's no indication that Peter and the other apostles ever accepted Paul in any sense.

    All we have are Pauls words and the words of Luke (Acts), who was Paul's disciple.

    Ditto as far as his confirmation by the Holy spirit.

    And who's decision was that?

    Does it make sense to you that a religion that claims to be the followers of one man would take most of their doctrine from a book that's mainly comprised of the teachings of another man?

    And why is it that, even though Paul often prefaced his preaching with "this is my preference" or "I would rather see...", christians hear "Thus sayeth the Lord"?

    And even if you accept Pauls doctrine as scripture why do so many "christians" convientantly forget that almost all of Paul's teachings were intended exclusively as rules of conduct to be practicedwithin the christian community, they were never intended to be imposed by the christian community on the world at large?
     
  16. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Interesting. So they aren't actually more attracted to females, they just choose to be lesbians?

    Calling it a lifestyle choice leaves out an essential thing- sexual attraction. It seems strange that someone would be gay despite being attracted to the opposite sex. I can't picture myself deciding to make out with men, just doesn't feel right.

    Something interesting for you to ponder. I meet a gay couple while flying from Pittsburgh to Philadelphia the other day. They weren't flamboyantly gay- they seemed like any old married couple, the way they were comfortable around eachother, etc. I had a conversation with the one, whose father is a priest. He said back in the olden times, a lot of people with homosexual feelings went into the priesthood because they would be ostracised from regular society- the churches stance against homosexuality caused gay men to flock to its ranks so that they were protected- they never seemed suspicious for not hooking up with women. It was just another safe haven for them.
    What are fomos?
     
  17. Portalguy

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    Chance doesn't have a checkmate. I have a job. LOL Chance is just saying the same thing he said over and over again. All he does is put down liberal people and homosexuals.
    Then take common conservative Christian rhetoric and say that over and over again. Then read out of a book on what the scriptures mean and say that over and over again.

    He lives with fear of those different from him. Then takes Bible content out of context to make it say these same things. Snipping a line here or there. It's a common practice.Then he dropped the always refreshing pedophile bomb. Wow didn't see that coming.
     
  18. JesusDiedForU

    JesusDiedForU Banned

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    The Checkmate was in reference to Fed up and it was clearly a checkmate : )
     
  19. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Not that I agree with your statement, but that would tie in with what I said about the priesthood (how many gays went into it to seek shelter from a society that ostracizes them) if it were true. Priests making future priests?
     
  20. NaykidApe

    NaykidApe Bomb the Ban

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    He must mean "foamos", as in foamosexuals, as in people who have sex with shaving cream
    (watch, now some religous nut'll come here and say that's a sin too).
     

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