Works will come after faith. But without works how do you continue to have faith? But ultimately it is the faith that saves you.
When that dude gets consumed by worms, thats one of my favs. Its a good example to use to obliterate the myth that God was vengeful in the Old Testament, but wasn't in the New Testament. That act exposes the reality that God is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Anne Hache And most women can't picture themselves deciding to marry a guy who was physically and emotionally abusive just as their mom's husband(s)/boyfriends were. But, they often eventually end up gravitating to such a guy since that is the kind of "father" they identify and are familiar with. Ask Pam Anderson about it. Its the same with gay men. They are initiated into the gay deathstyle from a young age and that's often the only way they know how to express themselves sexually.
I believe some people could come to the gay lifestyle through abuse or some other way but even such...Does that make it evil? BTW I do believe most gay people are born that way. I've known gay people from a very young age. Most of them knew it even as children. How many gay people do you know Chance?
There's key verses that I think are translated haphazardly. There's others that I don't think are translated at all. For instance...http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/thesis.htm . I'll post this again. It's a fascinating thesis on the meaning of the term eunuch. It'll really open your eyes. Also, in some places http://www.soulforce.org/article/homosexuality-bible-gay-christian They talk about it a little broader. http://www.jesus21.com/content/sex/index.php?s=bible_homosexuality_1 So, does this site. Please read these articles. Thank you.
Jesus didn't try to make his government legislate morality,neither should YOU! Try following Christs example for once. Jesus told his followers to leave the towns where people rejected their message. You people talk about morality and the Ten Commandments but they jackass you put in the WhiteHouse is a cheat,thief and a liar(don't forget coveting and putting the god of greed and power before the one true G-d.) Values voter! Is voting for somone that initiated a pre-emptive war of aggression based on lies a Christian value? Is giving preferential treatment to the rich and screwing the poor in violation of James 2 a Christian Value? Is trampling on the Constitution a Christian Value! NO! NOT AT ALL! It seems to me that the only so called Christian values you care about is gays and abortion. Yup save all the unborn babies but send our boys to their death in Iraq . Hypocrite!You crow about the Ten Commandments but blantly break the Fourth Commandment every week. Exodus 20:8-11. "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shall you labor and do your work but the SEVENTH day is the Sababth of the Lord your G-d. In it you shall do no work you nor your children, or your servants of the foriengners living in your country. For in six days the Lord made the heaven and the Earth and rested on the Seventh day therefore the Lord blessed the Seventh day and made it Holy." Don't even try do say that the Sabbath was done away with as you yourself said G-d is the same yesterday today and tommorow. Either all the Ten Commandments are binding or none of them are. Try popping that 2X4 out of your eye before you try to remove the speck of dust from anothers eye. Answer me this question: Have you or anyone else ever drawn anyone to Jesus through your anti-abortionist, homophobic rants? CBN and their ilk turn people off to the Gospel. You wanna change society? Then change one person at a time by doing your part to draw them to Jesus so HE can change their hearts.
If Chance is a female then she and Huckfinn would make the perfect poster couple for the Christian Facist Party oops i mean Republican Party.. Ya'll remember Huckfinn don't ya?
Looks like you got me on that one. you're right, the epistles (aside from James) are the part of the bible I'm least familiar with. Completely subjective. (note: I know these examples are vague. I'll try to make some time in the next few days to actually look up the specific verses and go into more depth. to be honest it's been some time since I've actually had to open up the bible while debating scripture with a christian. I have to admit you caught me off guard) Certain precepts adopted as doctrine by different sects over the centuries including; Paul's stated preference for celebacy which somehow became a requirement for the clergy in the case of the catholics. Pauls views that women resign themselves to a subserviant role in the chuch and in married life. Yes but nowhere in the NT are christians instructed--or even given permission-- to try and enforce these rules on the secular world.
If ya'll would like to check out a Christian network I suggest 3ABN (Three Angels Braodcast Network which is owned and operated by the Seventh-day Adventist church. 3ABN doesn't get into politics nor do they advocate legislating morality. Their sole aim is to proclaim the Gospel and draw people to Jesus. btw: The folks on 3ABN don't have to brag about the amount of weight they can leg press in order to uplift Christ.
She is an actress. How do you know whether she is telling the truth about her motivations for being a lesbian? So they are not actually turned on by men, they just don't know any better and believe that they are turned on by men? Sounds a little bit far fetched to me. When I see a hot chick, I feel a tingling (unless I am sick or in a bad mood) sensation. I don't think about it, plan it out, or anything. I don't decide to tingle, I just do. I do think about whether or not I can stare at her without causing a problem (because I like the tingling sensation I get from looking at her but I don't want to create a bad situation). So with gay people it must be a similar choice- they must actually be gay (attracted to the same sex- get a tingling sensation from a hot member of the same sex) but they have to decide whether or not it will create a bad situation. Chance, do you feel a tingling sensation when you see hot women and men, or is it only men that make you tingle? Because if you feel turned on by both you are a bisexual. The only decision you are actually making is whether or not you are going to show others your true sexual nature. True gays are attracted to their own sex, true heteros are attracted to the opposite, true bis are attracted to both. What are you?
Exactly! I'm going to break into the CBN studios and post this on a sign, and have it scroll over and over again. Just that.
Well, I received an email from Newswatch at CBN today: Your feedback has been received by CBN News's Assignment Editors. What a loaded statement, eh?
Homosexuality: The Essentialist Argument Continues to Erode By A. Dean Byrd, Ph.D., MBA, MPH The essentialist argument that homosexuality is biologically determined, and is therefore not amenable to change, continues to find little support in science. Finding its way in to the Monitor on Psychology, the official magazine of the American Psychological Association, another study emphasizes the fluidity of homosexual attraction. Dr. Ellen Scheter of the Fielding Graduate Institute presented her research at the recent meeting of the American Psychological Association. Her qualitative study included in-depth interviews with 11 women who had been self-identified as lesbian for more than 10 years. All of these women were in heterosexual relationships which had been ongoing for more than a year (Greer, 2004). These findings provide support for the research of Dr. Lisa Diamond whose study was reported in the Monitor on Psychology in 2000. Dr. Diamond concluded that "sexual identity was far from fixed in women who aren't exclusively heterosexual" (Murray, 2000, p. 15; Diamond, 2000). Dr. Kenneth Zucker, in his careful analysis of the innate/immutable argument of homosexuality, rostered a plethora of studies to support his conclusion that "sexual orientation is more fluid than fixed" (2003, pp. 399-400). Friedman and Downey, the psychiatric researchers at Columbia University, offered a strongly worded conclusion opposing the essentialist argument: "At clinical conferences one often hears...that homosexual orientation is fixed and unmodifiable. Neither assertion is true...The assertion that homosexuality is genetic is so reductionistic that it must be dismissed out of hand as a general principle of psychology" (2002, p 39). Yet the national organizations continue to offer the essentialist argument as a guide for law and public policy. No reputable scientist on either side of the political spectrum would disagree with the conclusion of Friedman and Downey. Even the gay-activist researchers themselves who studies have been used by the media to trumpet the message that homosexuality is biologically determined do not support the "born that way" myth. Simon LeVay, the author of the hypothalamus study, noted, "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality was genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men were born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work" (Nimmons, 1994, p. 64). Dean Hamer, the author of the "gay gene" study, agreed: "We knew that genes were only part of the answer. We assumed the environment also played a role in sexual orientation, as it does in most, if not all behaviors...(Hamer and Copeland, 1994, p. 82). Hamer further emphasizes, "Homosexuality is not purely genetic...environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay...I don't think we will ever predict who will be gay" (Mitchell, 1995). LeVay, the gay activist researcher, made an interesting observation about the emphasis on the biology of homosexuality: He noted, "...people who think that gays and lesbians are born that way are also more likely to support gay rights" (1996, p. 282). Psychiatrist Robert Spitzer, a prominent member of the American Psychiatric Association and historic ally of gay activists, provides even more insight into how activism has replaced science in the national organizations. He notes, "There's a gay-activist group that's very strong and very vocal and recognized officially by the American Psychiatric Association. There is nobody to give the other viewpoint...There may be a few people...but they don't talk" (Spitzer, 2004). May be it is time for legislators to call into question the "science" of the national organizations, particularly when the national organizations employ activism disguised as science to justify resolutions and policy statements. References Diamond, L. M. (2000). Sexual identity, attractions, and behavior among young sexual minority women over a 2 year period. Developmental Psychology, 36 (2), pp. 241-250. Friedman, R. C. & Downey, J.I. (2002). Sexual orientation and psychoanalysis: sexual science and clinical practice (New York: Columbia University Press). p. 39. Greer, M. (2004). Labels may oversimplify women's sexual identity, experiences. Monitor on Psychology, 35, 9, p. 28. ______, (2004). I Do Exist (video). Robert Spitzer Interview. Hamer, D. & Copeland, P. (1994). The science of desire. New York: Simon & Schuster. LeVay, S. (1996). Queer science. Cambridge, MIT Press. Mitchell, N, (1995). Genetics, sexuality linked, study says. Standard Examiner, April 30. Murray, B. (2000). Sexual identity is far from fixed in women who aren't exclusively heterosexual. Monitor on Psychology, 32(3), pp. 64-67. Nimmons, D. (1994). Sexual brain. Discover, 5, 3. Zucker, K. J. (2003). The politics and science of reparative therapy. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 32, pp. 399-400.
