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Care to expound?

 

I was refering to polymers statement:

"demystifying the bad trip phenomena: bad trips are rooted in the utter loss of control (of your mind) at the expense of ego."

and the his idea that bad trips are linked to anxiety. I think that those are only some of the factors that could be involved. Time Leary brought about the ideas of the importance of set and setting being important to having a good trip. A person tripping in the wrong place at the wrong time could easily cause a negative reaction. Beside that, a bad trip could involve anything in entire range of the human psychological realm not just anxiety. Also beyond psychology, depending what a person believes, various "supernatural" factors may also be involved.

 

The reason a person normally wigs because of set and setting is anxiety or paranoia, which is excessive anxiety anyways. I sense a misconception that anxiety is a simple part of the human mind. You might want to look into it further.

 

I can assure you that a person can have a bad trip without any anxiety or paranoia. I can see where your coming from in your thinking but there really is more to it. End of line

 

WHO THE FUCK cares Because according to jambase the dead are playing a 4/20 show in nc next year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Weed makes some people paranoid, so it could make the effects worse, if you're alredy paranoid on acid. I thought vitamin C and B complex were good sources to end/reduce effects of a trip?

 

how do you figure?

a person typically has a bad trip when it's percieved that control is lost (i.e. unable to resolve perceived conflict, or inability to leave a place)

sounds like classic anxiety to me.

I've never heard of someone having a bad trip because of visuals, like daisies with knives running after someone; it's more about something internalized, like conflicting thoughts, or some perceived stressor(s).

 

Even if you somehow did see daisies with knives, it wouldn't be the visuals alone that made the trip bad, but your own anxiety. In a calm state of mind on acid, I would find daises with knives fucking hilarious, but if I were in a deeply paranoid state, I might believe they were going to hurt me or people around me, and that would be bad

 

I agree with 2ces, Poly and Hemi - you can see something uncomfortable (like the other night coming down off a shroom trip, I was trying to fall asleep and kept seeing a vague figure beeing pierced all over continuously with thorns...imagine the Saw prodiction company logo shit) but that's totally different than having a bad trip. I saw that shit, and simply opened my eyes cuz I didn't want to see it, but that was different than last year when trippin on acid one time and not wanting to be wherever I was, wanting to be somewhere else all the time and then when I got there wanting to leave...trying to get rid of that feeling put me in a bad mood, which I recognized as the start of a panic attack, which I have had before, sober.

What you are talking about, set and setting causing a bad trip, are the reasons why one might become anxious. For example, lets say you're walking around town and amble into the ghetto. Suddenly you realize that someone might mug you or try to kill you, and you start to panic. Your heart rate increases, your thought patterns become illogical and you jump to conclusions, you get nervous and then all the sudden you're seeing all kinds of crazy shit, which you then try to stop and in the process make yourself trip harder, then before you know it you're way across town or you end up in someone's house you've never seen before.

How about this - you provide us an example of a bad trip, and we'll show you how it breaks down to anxiety or panic attack or something of that sort.

 

Ok well explain...

Someone can have a bad trip even without any anxiety at the start , when you dose yeah, but if he is havin a bad one , then there you have it hes anxious, maybe to the point of panic, because he doesnt want to die, to go insane , to get taken away without consent or whatever.

 

Actually, I'm not going to explain it. If you don't what I'm talking about, you probably don't/shouldn't know about it.

 

Nice.

 

Damn...I wanna know

I can be scared in millions ways comon

 

I thought vitamin C and B complex were good sources to end/reduce effects of a trip?

Once when I was stoned, I started to feel bad, because I lied to my parents, and my parents wouldn't want me doing this, and I started to feel bad and stuff. After about 5 minutes, I got over it and told myself, so what? there's nothing wrong with weed. And then just had fun the rest of my time. Could this happen to me on acid? And i'd just start to feel intensely guilty for going against my parent wishes/lying to them? How can I make sure I won't feel bad about it?

 

It could do. If you have issues in your mind, acid will probably bring them to the surface.

You keep asking so many impossible questions though, it's frustrating.

You're the only person who can control your own mind, there are no magical methods of not thinking certain thoughts. Actually if you specificall try not to think about something on acid you'll probably end up only thinking about that thing

I think I've said it before but I really don't think acid is right for you. Not anytime soon anyway. You're paranoid like hell about it before you've even tried it, and that's just not a good mindset to be in.

 

Man, I'm not paranoid, i'm sure I seem really paranoid on the net because I ask so many questions, I only ask them to make sure I don't have anything to worry about when tripping. The only thing I would worry about is feeling bad about my parents, that is the only thing I would worry about, seriously, I have nothing else at all to worry about because all of the questions I have asked have been asnwered. I'm already so keen and an excited to do it now, I don't think there's much that will stop me.

 

Stand. Acid is much more intense than weed, and lasts a LOT longer. Maybe you need to understand that you are, in no way, "hurting" your parents if you do decide to trip. You are having a learning experience, even if it is the kind they may not know much about.

I am NOT encouraging you to take it, if you don't feel 100% comfortable with it, though. Set and Setting, along with your frame of mind, has a lot to do with your trip. You don't want to be somewhere ugly, dangerous, or sad when you first do it. And, no, Vitamins C and B will not slow a bad trip. Haldol and Thorazine are powerful medicines, and even in the Bad Trip Tents were only used in the worst situations, when talking someone down, by an experienced babysitter, didn't work. Also, having a good, experienced Trip Sitter, who knows the Experience is really important. You see too many young kids trip out badly, only because they and a few freinds decided to trip, all for the first time in someone's basement. ALWAYS, at first, have an experienced Trip Sitter.

 

The problem is, I have to drive out 3 hours to get it. Because I can't get it around here. So therefore, when I copme back here to trip, there's no one here that's ever done it before. I do have a sitter, but we are all first timers, and I am starting to change my frame of mind about my parents. I know is is alot more intense than weed, I have read alot and alot about it, hundreds of trip reports etc. At the moment I do feel 100% comfortable about taking it, it's taken me about a week to realize and change my frame of mind about my parents, and I have no other worries in my life or about acid than that, and I've got another month till I do it, so I have alot of time to make sure my mind is ready.

 

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