Christian God theme debunked.

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from the above link;
"The one most people have heard is the one about our being let off because Christ volunteered to bear a punishment instead of us. Now on the face of it that is a very silly theory. If God was prepared to let us off, why on earth did He not do so? And what possible point could there be in punishing an innocent person instead? None at all that I can see, if you are thinking of punishment in the police-court sense. On the other hand, if you think of a debt, there is plenty of point in a person who has some assets paying it on behalf of someone who has not. Or if you take "paying the penalty," not in the sense of being punished, but in the more general sense of "footing the bill," then, of course, it is a matter of common experience that, when one person has got himself into a hole, the trouble of getting him out usually falls on a kind friend."

if you want to understand more about the why's & wherefore's, look into the OT laws concerning a kinsman redeemer and related prophecies, answers a lot right there.
If you, Storch, don't know or understand that reference, then you really have a lot more to learn before making such silly threads as this.

 

As far as juvenile treatments unless you become as little delinquents and all,
As above so below.

Shall we debunk the necessity of human sacrifice altogether? What is the same is the same and what is different is different. When is sacrificing life for a cause ever meaningful?
Seems when a fireman dies in the performance of his duty he is idolized for his supreme sacrifice. Is a buddhist monk immolating himself for the cause of peace a noble act?

 

C.S. Lewis seems to suggest that Jesus being both man and God could show how to live perfectly while at the same time be able to die. In repenting away from a life of sin Lewis said there is a kind of death. So Jesus could display what that looked like.

I agree he displayed perfect innocence.

 

Which means what?

 

I know you're not stupid. You know what innocence means. Tell me what you need to say, I don't like merry- go rounds.

 

hmm yes I agree with this too thank you

 

I am not stupid that is why I do not presume to know what you mean.
To me the statement doesn't make sense.

 

Damn storch you beg for someone to take you on and then disappear.

 

NG,

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I want you to try to focus on this:

The popular christian idea concerning the crucifixion sounds rather like some kind of voodoo thing to me, you know, like killing a chicken and using its blood to cast a spell or to remove one.

If it doesn't seem that way to you, and you have something to offer to help clear up the matter, then let's have it. Why do you believe that God's formula for the redemption of humans includes pain suffering, and blood? Remember, this time focus, and tell me in your own words.

 

Ok sorry it doesn't make sense. Care to elaborate? Which part are you having trouble understanding?

 

If your conclusion comes to someone being wrong, you have come to the wrong conclusion. Learn to ask meaningful questions instead of asking people to defend sensational characterizations.

 

the friends of jesus didn't crucify him . he was popular with them . the
friends of jesus do not practice sacrifice , do not practice misdirection .
at best , jesus was the last sacrifice and they didn't do it . the father
god didn't do it . somebody else did , and that sort of very human author-
itarian still does .

the friends of jesus are peace and love . puke if you have to .

 

Innocence means harmlessness. How does the death of jesus lend to the understanding of true harmlessness in men?

 

Harmlessness: That's one of the meanings yes.

in·no·cence (n-sns)
n.
1. The state, quality, or virtue of being innocent, as:
a. Freedom from sin, moral wrong, or guilt through lack of knowledge of evil.
b. Guiltlessness of a specific legal crime or offense.
c. Freedom from guile, cunning, or deceit; simplicity or artlessness.
d. Lack of worldliness or sophistication; naiveté.
e. Lack of knowledge or understanding; ignorance.
f. Freedom from harmfulness; inoffensiveness.
2. One that is innocent.

The book of Luke describes how Pilate viewed Jesus: as innocent despite his trials. He was a healer, he relieved peoples suffering, humble, and even in his own suffering he still sought to help people while being nailed to a cross and dying.

Do you have an opinion of his character? In my opinion, he serves as a true example of innocence.

*Edit: not just Luke - the gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

 

what's the most peaceful (harmless) way to kill a chicken ? spiritually ,
it's oft said tis a matter respectfulness . know thy chicken . bless the
earth with its scattered blood if you want .

 

The world didn't view jesus as innocent and certainly there is quite a bit of hostility toward some of the followers of jesus and as well a large amount hostility emanating from those that claim to love and know him.
I do not have an opinion of his character. He says of himself, why do you call me good, only god is good. He has my devotion as he is devoted to me, he has my respect for his greater experience. Certainly jesus did not have a lack of understanding or experience but on that basis the people that hung him on the cross were perfect examples of innocence. Forgive them they know not what they do.

With your opinion you have done something that jesus taught against which is to judge someone as worthy or not. Is this what you intend to do?

 

Whatever Jesus decided to do is what Jesus decided to do. Why he decided to do what he did was his decision. It was not orchestrated by God--whatever God is. God has no need to conjure up a spell with a crucifixion as the main ingredient to correct a problem.

 

Without passion.

 

1) I corrected "world" to Pilate to refer to Pontius Pilate who tried him twice and considered him innocent. Despite his perceived innocence, he was still crucified and you are right it was because of pressure applied from the people. Majority rules, right?
2) I make mistakes all the time and I don't claim to be perfect. I also still give him my time, it just requires A LOT of patience.