Christian God theme debunked.

MVW,

I disagree with the idea that the crucifixion did away with the idea of the necessity of sacrifice. I base that on the fact that Christianity has yet to shed the belief that, without the human sacrifice of Jesus, all would be condemned. At best, it steered people away from the corrupt idea that they could be saved by killing an animal, draining its blood, and offering its lifeless corpse up to their God.

Modern day belief in the saving power of the blood of Jesus is ample evidence that the idea of sacrifice was not done away with; it's still the foundation of the christian faith. All that happened was that people transferred a perverted aspect of religious belief onto one, and off the many.

If Jesus' objective was to move humans along the way of spiritual evolution, then I suppose that getting them to stop killing animals to save their souls was a good start, but hardly the end of the story.

 

Please be a little more clear about what I don't understand.

 

I can dig that---I have known a few theologians over the years and I really valued their friendship.

I don't want to impose my beliefs on anyone, though in forums where you have discussions and arguments and so forth, it is sometimes hard to not appear that way.

I will state my criticisms of religious institutions. But my point is not to change anyone's religion. For those who are open to it, or question, I offer to cut through the institutional dogma and point to the spiritual core of their religion. But others get defensive and feel that I am attacking the religion itself.

But that's cool because I am writing a series of books on this, and if I offend too many people here, then I need to figure out how to tone things down. I believe we all have our own trip down life's road. We can learn from each other, or we cannot, we can believe in the divine or we cannot--but we all have our own purpose here and our own path to take.

 

what about this;

look into that and maybe you will understand a little more of the significance relative to the Hebrew culture and all that shit.

there are many various facets to the entire concept of the crucifixion, the kinsman redeemer being one of the more pointed ones concerning the why in relation to God/man.

 

Unfortunately, Happily', I didn't ask anyone to allude to their answer; that's called not answering. No one has answered how it is that the main ingredient in God's fourmula for human redemption is suffering. If that's not what you believe, then just say so. If it is what you believe, then explain why you don't have a problem with such spiritual a dynamic.

 

ohhh... I thought maybe you caught sight of that birthmark. Wheeeew. Never mind (Now how do I delete that post...?)

 

NG,

The fact that you seem incapable of even paraphrasing what you "allude" to tells me that you might not understand it.

Does it say anything about God calling for the crucifixion? Because that's what this thread is about--debunking the idea that God required it. In your own words, did God require the crucifixion in order to set us all off the hook?

 

Plenty of people have answered.

Its not the answer you seek or approve of, but that doesn't negate the fact that we've answered you.

 

No storch. He doesn't appreciate you putting the responsibility on him. If you want to know something, go research it.

You offer little in the way of answers. You ask more questions than anything.


What is YOUR opinion? Stop. Slow down. Think it over. And tell us.

 

I'm not going to sit here and spoon feed you, Storch.
I gave you a very solid reference point for all this malarkey about the crucifixion. If you are too lazy to investigate what I have given you, not my problem.

MVW gave a pretty good synopsis of the cultural and societal influences in cultures worldwide.
If you want to know things more specific to the Hebrew culture and religions, then I provided a good point of reference, not my problem if it completely went over your head and verifies what I said earlier, you don't really know what you are talking about.

 

No they haven't. If they have, bring it to me. It's a yes or no question. Was the crucifixion of God's design. People have offered where to look to find various interpretations of the crucifixion, but have not committed to a yes or no to the question.

 

You are right on that point about not eliminating sacrifice. Perhaps a better way to say that is the blood sacrifice ritual that it did away with. He turned it into an abstraction---which is one of many examples of how Modern Culture, and Modern Man represent the logical conclusion of Western Philosophy, which is largely built on the foundation of Judeo-Christianity. Almost everything in our life is an abstraction. Even the most intimate thing we share---sex---is largely influenced by the abstract: Pornography, fashion, consumer-based manipulations of what love should be or what sex should be, or even how we should be. It is very hard for people to just be with each other, or even to seek to just be with each other...

I've got to go---I will expand on this later.

 

Yes it was. I believe it was.

 

You don't have to spoon-feed me NG. Just answer yes or know to the question of whether or not the main ingredient in God's fourmula for human redemption was the crucifixion of Jesus. That's all that's being asked. It seems you're more than a little reluctant to take a stand. Why is that?

 

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Yes or no?>
Yes.
Why.
Go look up the friggin' references and find out for yourself.
you also asked Why?,
Well, read the comments from C.S.Lewis that were linked previously and then research about what/who is a kinsman redeemer and you will have about 75% of your answer right there.

 

Happily'

My answer is no, I do not believe that God is satisfied by the shedding of blood and the experience of pain. That doesn't feed God. If it feeds your God, then I would go so far as to say that that god doesn't exist.

 

NG,

You seem lost without your books . . .

 

based on what? your definition of what God should or shouldn't be?


LOL
that's pretty hilarious.

 

God doesn't commit atrocious acts. You want to argue that he does?? Really?

 

Storch, you just seem lost...