Christian God theme debunked.

See no evil. Hear no evil. Be no evil.

 

Who is they? There are many different tiers or cosmoses of understanding or world model operating systems but the curriculum of reality is universal.
Yes some of the material is recorded and interpreted through a cultural perspective but there is an esoteric foundation that transcends culture or anthropomorphic egoism. Culture/agriculture is not required it is chosen.

What about it? What is more likely incomprehensible truth or rightly confusing error?

Here again it is not reasonable to think the truth confounds and likely we are confounded by misinterpretation.

Yes even worse.

We can agree that everyone invokes some good and that this is the practice of god in the flesh.

You would accept contradiction if you were genuinely confused. We can confuse pain and pleasure.

Having nothing to do with mortality or god's superiority our senses are calibrated to operate within a certain frequency and we cannot directly apprehend many frequencies.

The belief it has a purpose is the cause of the split minded perception of good and bad. That it functions is the key to understanding it.

Or, we cannot escape the effects of our own thinking.

I think this is a romantic view. In time this whole solar system gets schmucked.

Our trip is shared our timing is peculiar. I don't necessarily agree with the prescription of reading material. This struggle already suffers from academic inbreeding leaving discussions developmentally retarded.

Pray to god in secret who knows you in secret.
observe the sensation that follows

 

The misinterpretation of meaning or truth behind an event has much to do with the event that is being interpreted. In the case of the crucifixion, interpretations are dependent on what you've previously been exposed to. In reality, there was a man who tried to tell everyone that they are more than just guilty little creatures, and that they are capable of doing what he is reported to have done. This went against the religious authorities who believed that they had cornered the market on the business of God. So they crucified him. If you have come to believe that Jesus is greater than you, then you must have accepted that you are smaller. You should stop and ask yourself who it was that granted you that smallness.

Crucifixion was common back then. The problem is with the spin put on this particular one. But the truth is that, like everything, it is what it is. To attempt to attach more meaning to it is to expose your own willingness to project your own interpretation onto it, or to accept a collective interpretation as your own. But in the beginning and in the end, it is what it is. The authorities didn't like what he was saying, and so they got rid of him. Jesus is not the last person that that has happened to.

 

The why of the spin is clear to see, to accommodate a zealousness, to make it acceptable to the hard ass.

 

saul why do you persecute me

 

To me will suggests resistance. Our will is only free to go against God's will. We judge things as good or bad and then use our will to resist. This leads to is inner conflict and denial of truth. As Jesus said "not my will but your will be done".

 

And hopefully, after having debunked the idea of a God utilizing voodoo-type principles to enable herself to forgive her creation, there is no need to go into the concept of Hell.

 

They, of course, are the authors of the Bible. I agree with you on the esoteric foundation, but the interpretation of that foundation is based on cultural parameters---the zeitgeist (spirit of the times). This is why there are so many different religions around the world, each with their own take on that esoteric foundation.

Yes but the truth is understood subjectively. We could come to an agreement over what that truth is, but someone else would disagree, and be completely positive that their truth is the one an only. If we then turn to that person and insist that our truth is correct, it will only become an argument of two opposing reductionist views.

Most definitely!

shhhhh... Don't tell everybody.

As I have stated in our discussions before, I do not wholly agree with Hegel's Historicism. I would argue that it is only a split minded perception if you think that it is a purpose that leads to an absolute good, or a purpose that follows an ethical good as determined by human values. Or that there is only a single purpose/plan which we are following. In the first case we are basing it on a reductionist ethical value. The second case does not allow for our own free will. At any point there are multiple paths we can take. Any time we better ourselves, it has both negative and positive impacts. Every age will have its problems, but every age has taken us down a path that has furthered the continuation of our species----which goes to the next point...

If we are successful at 'bettering' ourselves (maybe that is a better way of looking at the 'purpose') then by that time we may exist on other solar systems. As it is today we stand way too close to the brink of destroying ourselves, leaving only a polluted wasteland for a planet. We could fail in this purpose within the next century, or we could fail in many centuries from now. Either way we get schmucked. But that free-will does give us the opportunity. And my subjective experience tells me that God is there to guide us if we ask and listen.

Yes I am sure there is much better reading material on the subject---and Kierkegaard is not the easiest one to read. Nor does he give a clear cut answer---he wants the reader to come to his/her own conclusions, rather than to be, as he says, a parrot just repeating someone else's opinions.

 

That is a good point---but it is also predicated on a judgement of what is good or bad, because, again, each of us interpret God's will at a subjective level, and then judge god's will as good. Where the real problem comes in is when we project our subjective understanding of this onto the outside world. When we turn our subjective into the objective.

But back to your point--indigenous people, such as the Native Americans--all have an understanding that everything is sacred. It is when we fall out of sync with that sacredness that we create problems and bad things happen, or that we have inner conflicts, and outer conflicts, and so forth. The idea is to achieve a balance. This is also common in Eastern philosophy. This is another way of saying what you said.

NG spoke of becoming a father and the unconditional love you feel within that new perspective in life. I agree. But it is hard to allow our children such free will. Whatever action we take has repercussions. If we do things in a bad way, or even merely with a bad intention, we can only expect bad things to come back to us. God doesn't have to punish us, it is just the way things are. And yet he allows us to find that out on our own...

 

Okay a new term has found it's way into this discussion, free will. It is conceived that free will means that we are free make our own choices. That conception exists because it has not been apprehended what our will is much less whether it is free or not. Our will is our motivating impulse and our will is to have abundant life. This will is freely available and with free will we do not get an abundance of choices, we have but one and it is ours. We are not free to determine what our inheritance is but we are free to negotiate it however we like or even how we don't like. We have two ways of affecting our will toward abundant life and that is to let your answer be yes or let it be no. I don't know is not an answer even though those who don't know rack their brains and torment their hearts thinking that it is up to them to inform themselves as to what they don't know. I don't know is a signal for more testing, not sound basis for forming conclusions.

be still and know, (that I am god)

 

Free will owns the limitation on being a Will per say from the power of God, and nevertheless has Willed will. Other wills have closer Limits of baring conceived in the will of social conditions of Recognition. In itself it reaches into being also for itself, I guess, but what do I know Now. For Free will wished to have infinite control upon itself and then it was caused by the Original Sin. The rest is well a failure for performance Done on the internet for it pretends to be actual, and as possible it it stays only for itself like it were trapped in it's own soul.

 

The cultural interpretation is not the esoteric understanding and this protects it over time from distortion. It is like a pile of humanity guarding the gates of sanctity so that they don't by accident of inexperience truly fuck things up.

The light of creation exists in us complete. The founders of compelling thought systems gained their insights through refining their perception. The journey into the wilderness to be tempted is like launching the hubble telescope as one gets beyond the light pollution of the precepts of civilization.

 

So let us see here
Numbers Chapter 31: 17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
This was an order given directly by God himself. Seems to tell a fairly straight foward story. You are right though He did not allow this to happen he commanded it. Let's take a look at another one shall we?
Numbers Chapter 31: 7-8
And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; [namely], Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.Yet another place where you are correct in saying that God didn't technically allow it to happen. Although if you want a questionable scripture here.
Deuteronomy Chapter 28: 47-48
Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all [things]; Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all [things]: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
It would seem if we take the interpretation literally, if one does not give thanks to God for his "goodness" then he or she will be tormented and then destroyed. Such a loving and understanding God. There are many other stories where the cruel and uncompassionate God of your faith is revealed. I will not state all of them however, it would be far better for you to find them yourself.

Show me one place in the Old Testament where the afterlife is mentioned as a place for humanity please?

So you would kill your own children because they disobeyed you? You would punish them because they questioned you? Hmmm....

If you only understand God from a human perspective then how can you be certain that he acts as a father?

In reality you have only shown that you cannot succesfully reconcile the God of the Old Testament to the God of the New Testament. Good work.

So far yes you are avoiding the topic. Let us hear some real knowledge please?

And anything that you have offered up is more than simple opinion? I think not.

 

Instead of judging things as good or bad why not judge things that are and aren't. For example, right now it's raining. I can sense the rain drops hitting my face and feel them for what they are or I can judge them as bad.

Yeah, we see nature, ourselves and God all separate and in conflict with each other.

The best way to parent imo is to be a good role model. If we accept ourselves for who we are and life for what it is that is trusting in God. Everything will happen the way it will.

 

Heres the problem with people who debate religion like this. You're nutso control freaks!

1) none of you will ever be "right"

If I want to worship a fucking daisy in a field full of cow shit - thats my prerogative! Who the hell are you to tell me that daisy isn't special!?!

The biggest mistake I made in partaking in this conversation, was expecting others to see through my own eyes.

 

A mind without anxiety is kind.

 

Excuse me?

The truth doesn't need you tell us what it is. We can and do in many cases come to agreement. Beliefs don't argue with the truth they argue with other beliefs.

No one can prevent you from devoting yourself to anything. Special however is vanity's greatest defense against the truth.

Yep, no one cares for our particular brand of special but what we share can be regarded as precious by all. If the eye be sound the whole body will be full of light.

 

A mind awake is an ocean. When people throw stones at you all that's heard are plops.

 

After this discussion yesterday I ordered Chinese food and was pretty taken aback by my fortune cookie, which read the following... See image. Very ironic indeed.

 

Where's a mod' when you really, really need one?