Christian God theme debunked.

"He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me.

Why do you call me good, only god is good.

I know jesus as brother

 

Happily',

So, you are saying that the crucifixion was not necessary to God's willingness to forgive human sin?

 

OK, dope, is your mother's name Mary?

 

My fortune cookie last night said "a new friend will enter your life".

 

It was me! I'm sending you a Friend request lol

 

Happily,

Apparently, we do agree on that.

 

No, but through it our sins are forgiven. I don't think it was a part of the "plan".

 

which part? sorry I had to take a break bc my cat was demanding for me to hold her. very persistent little thing.

 

Accepted.

 

I guess what I'm asking is would God have forgiven our sins if Jesus hadn't been crucified? I'm referring to the idea of being "saved by the Blood."

 

That's a good question. I would say yes because he is a merciful God. But maybe not. He might have just destroyed the earth and started over

 

Then we agree that the crucifixion of Jesus was not necessary to God's forgiveness of sin.

 

Yeah, its just how things panned out. If Jesus wasn't actively persecuted he probably wouldn't have been ordered to death.

 

Then that would mean that we technically have no requirement of Jesus what so ever

 

No it doesn't.

 

Mary, Mary?, quite contrary!, my mother the earth my father the sun you and I the ***stars*** in heaven from the beginning it was so as we are as the angels free from institutional separation. In the world but not of it.

We are created in the likeness and image of god male and female creative principle. We enter the ark of condition two by two male and female each according to their kind as we name the animals

To forgive is to undo our own verdicts and accept god's authority declaring man good, very good. The final judgement that awakens the dead, (obviously sleeping,) is our own.

 

A friend deserves our devotion to the extent they are devoted to us, an elder deserves respect for their greater experience. An idea is helpful to the extent that it contributes to the manifestation of our will. The idea of better or worse is contrary to our will for abundance in all things.

 

Oh man!! I'm jealous.

And when I opened up my fortune cookie last night it was empty...

 

I actually agree with you Storch. You might recall that at the beginning of my first post I stated:

It is possible that he was crucified and then later the spin was applied. On the other hand, maybe he wasn't even crucified.

However having said that let me also add that I have seen all kinds of crazy things that defy rationality. If those things could happen then certainly a son of God could be killed and brought back to life.

One thing that is certain is that if one was to wear the cross at that time, or even a short time after the crucifixion, it would be just like wearing an electric chair around one's neck, and proclaiming it as the symbol of one's god. Yet at the same time, the cross is clearly a symbol of the tree of life, and if very old, even before Christianity, and is found all around the world.

It has been pointed out in this forum that Jesus has not always been considered one with God. I think it was IndyHippy that pointed out Exodus and associated that with Jesus---its late and I'm tired and I read that a few hours ago. But let me add that at the time of the protestant reformation, it was considered a blasphemy and a sin to equate Jesus with God. It was the sin of Jesuology.

Anyway---for me, it makes sense that we are all children of God, and that Jesus was simply a man---the implication then is that we can all be just like Jesus, he was not a titan achieving superhuman feats. But that's my opinion.

 

In essence it actually does. You see to say that

is to acknowledge that God changed His mind, which is in turn to call the biblical account of God a lie
Numbers 23:19 God is not human, that he should lie,not a human being, that he should change his mind.Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
Assuredly you cannot take everything in the bible with perfect literacy, yet at the same time the very act of the exile from Eden is in contrast to the truth of the bible as well, at least in Christian understanding. How does one seperate the incongruities of the text out to make total sense of what is said within? By acknowledging that it is a book of learning and wisdom, a collective of human understanding passed down over generations. There is much that we can learn from the texts of the book. We only need to remove our rose colored glasses.

Essentially we agree yet again my friend. The teachings of Jesus are a vital part to understanding one's way. To detract from his understanding is to miss the beauty of it.