Christianity: "Over and Done"

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  1. Ikdenkhetniet

    Ikdenkhetniet Banned

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    Why are you pretending that Campbell makes himself out to be God when his key point in #41 is:
    "And I'm not special at all, but my God is."

    Curious DarrelK... what is the Buddhist consequence for lying and slandering about someone else?
    Serious question.
     
  2. campbell34

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    Fear is the one thing that has saved many a persons life. Fear is the indicator
    that often makes a person think twice before he or she jumps. And it is this kind of fear that the Bible is speaking of. I recall back in 1969 God telling me not to go into the navy, I answered God and told Him we will take up our relationship after boot camp. On the very day that I passed my Navy physical I came home only to get caught on a 7,400 volt eletrical line. 7 weeks later I got out of the hosiptal. And that pretty much ended my navy ambitions. Now when God tells me something, I listen.

    Nostradamus is a Jonny come lately, and much of his stuff does not hold a candle to the prophecies of the Bible. He is more of a smoke screen that blinds people from the real Biblical prophecies. The prophecies of the Bible are 100%. Nostradamus and his prophecies are more of a flip of a coin, if you can even understand them. And some of them are from the Bible anyway. Also Nostradamus used in some cases occult pratices to obtain some of his prophecies, which the Bible condems.
     
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    God's Word is true, and if you recall in the flood God destroyed all human life on the planet except the nine people on the ark. God's Son and many of the early preachers of the gospel were put to death, and salvation comes at a high price. As a Christian I cannot know for sure how God will deal with all people. All I know for sure, is that the Bible teaches we must be born again and receive Christ. I try to focus on the small job God has given me, and I will leave the rest up to God. God is fair, and I will not try and second guess Him.
     
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    I think the only reason God speaks to me from time to time is because I believe in Him, and I still believe that He can speak to us in this modern age. I am not so good that God needs to speak to me, far from it. Often when He does speak it is when you least expect it. Once I was just about to fall asleep and He just started talking, another time He interrupted me in the middle of a prayer, you just never know with God. I think it's kind of funny to see the way you carry on about me here, and the reason I think it's funny is because everything I have said is the truth, and you just can't deal with it.
    There is only one person I worship, and that is Jesus Christ.
     
  5. BlackBillBlake

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    This is total BS.

    The premise is that c/.anity is a useless and dangerous cult whose followers are deluded.

    Nothing dishonest about that. If you can't handle it - do something else..

    Get it?
     
  6. BlackBillBlake

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    Good point there Darrell about the non-Buddha nature of Jesus. I tend to think you are right - up to a point anyway.

    Xians can't stand to be wrong - I notice that even when backed into a corner they will still insist they are right. They will resort to name calling (not Mr. C - he is at least always polite), and argue in favour of things like warfare etc, all in the name of their so called 'prince of peace'.
    IMO it is one of the big flaws of c/anity. Fixity of mind, lack of flexibility.
    It has never happened, even once in my experience of this forum that anyone of them admits to being wrong about anything.
    Sheer arrogance. And I'm afraid, stupidity in some cases.

    The only other religious follower I've encountered on here with a similar degree of 'total correctness' is a certain advaitin mentioned by Spook in a previous post.
     
  7. darrellkitchen

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    It's obvious you can't read.

    And until you do, you'll have no answer ...
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  8. BlackBillBlake

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    You could ask yourself what are the consequences of lying and making false accusations for an xian, because it's something you seem to do a lot.
     
  9. darrellkitchen

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    That's because, Campbell34, you don't speak the truth.

    Your truth is only relative to you.

    You might say things that some people agree with, but it's only your truth. And it will only be your truth.

    What is true to others is their truth only.

    What is true to me is only my truth.

    It's not your truth I can't deal with, Campbell34. It's your intollerance to think that you have to push and force yourself and your ideas (views) onto others much like a rapist does with his victims.

    What you speak is from your own perspective of things, your own view of reality around you. When you continually say others views of reality is wrong and yours is right, you deny them the right to happiness by trying to rape their minds with your own views as if you want to take that person's perspective and replace it with your own.

    You in essence are trying to make the world and all its inhabitants ... well ... YOU!

    Just because you see something as being true doesn't mean it's true to others. Others can only agree with you if the truth you spout off is true to them as well.

    However, truth is not truth if you have never really had direct experience with what you claim as being the truth. It is only a belief. And a belief is all it will ever be.

    So in essence, you believe what the Bible says as being true, yet you never really directly experienced or come to a direct realization to it as being true. You believe it because you read it and you say it's true. Your belief is not true. It's only your thought that it is true. When it is nothing more than a mere belief. A belief would stop being a belief when it was directly experienced as being a truth. Then you would no longer need to say you believe in it.

    So, Campbell34, your truth is relative only to you.

    Everything you say is not the truth.

    Save your mind rapeing for people who have no will of mind to resist you.
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  10. Ikdenkhetniet

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    Understand that its a little bit awkward for me to dumb-down to your inferior cognitive abilities so let me just clear up your 'argument' here:

    You are suggesting that:
    If Christianity is a false religion and its teachings untrue then when non-christians go to eternal hell this is so unpleasant that it makes Christianity untrue and false.

    I mean seriously, doesnt your brain rattle when you try and do this or is it like a broken part in that it doesnt even register anymore?

    DarrelK;
    I supplied you with the answer.
    Campbell wrote:
    The answer: You accused him of something saying something else.
    You blew it buddy.
    Im explaining that to you.
     
  11. BlackBillBlake

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    You are at it again!

    'c/anity over and done' is the title of the thread. I'm sorry if you can't grasp that. Stick to facile insults - it's more you.

    Mr. C said he isn't anything special, I said he is something special.

    I have no idea wtf you are talking about here. Do you actually read any of the posts?
     
  12. darrellkitchen

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    You explained nothing, Ik denk het niet.

    Again you failed to read.

    Again, no you'll have no answers until you do.

    It appears you read up to a point and then stop, drawing conclusions on what the rest of what you "were" reading should have said.
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  13. Ikdenkhetniet

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    I know you dont lol!

    Learn how to premise your arguments and then work through them while sticking to your original premise.
    Anything else is intellectual dishonesty and/or mental retardation.

    by the by, BBB.... your theory that if Christianity is true in its teachings it would then result in 'everyone else' going to hell is just plain wrong.
    Again,
    Maybe study Christianity a bit first -then pretend you are describing its teachings.
    Hint: The question of the fate of non-christians is actually asked and answered in the New Testament.
    Surprise!
    The answer (and therefore the teaching) is NOT your made-up version though.
    Maybe google that for awhile.
     
  14. Ikdenkhetniet

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    You can answer to me if you like but otherwise I am watching you accuse Campbell of claiming to be his own God.
    You are wrong.
    He is not doing that.
    Im sure you misunderstood him or possibly he misrepresented himself by some accident.
    Otherwise, its very obvious to me Campbell rejects the idea he is his 'own god' and goes to great pains to insist that he himself has no godly powers or abilities, wont have them and that only God can be God.

    You however believe you are going to work on yourself until you eventually become 'godlike'.
    How does that make you feel Darrel?
    Do you like that feeling?
     
  15. darrellkitchen

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    Dunno, Ik. It's your perception of things. Therefore, your feelings ... not mine ...
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  16. Ikdenkhetniet

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    Oh but its yours.
    Im curious how it feels to know you have found a way to be 'spiritual' but as a workaround to Christianity.
    I mean it must be interesting to know how your process and enjoy the benefits of this?
    On the one hand you bypass all that nasty stuff like guilt, confession, repentance, humility and subserviance to a greater being.....
    yet,
    You also enjoy the benefits of knowing your way is both intellectually and spiritually superior to them too.
    Bonus+ your look is popular and so far has not been subject to criticism yet.

    Im just curious how it makes you feel inside is all?
     
  17. darrellkitchen

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    How can you say it's mine?

    Do you see the world with my eyes?

    Do you hear the world with my ears?

    Do you smell the world with my nose?

    Do you taste the world with my tongue?

    Do you feel the world with my body?

    Do you think the world with my mind?

    You have no idea how I perceive the world. And I have no idea how you perceive the world. I can only speculate that based on your craving for greed, and your craving for ill-will, and your craving for delusion that your world is as much full of pain, sorrow, grief, lamentation and despair, full of suffering much like everyone else. But you can't claim to know how I perceive things. You don't know. You're not me. Who's lying?

    darrellkitchen: It's your perception of things. Therefore, your feelings ... not mine ...
    Ikdenkhetniet: Oh but its yours.

    Who's lying?

    Your feelings are your own, not mine. My feelings are my own, not yours. For you to claim that your feelings are mine is to view and sense the world using my mind, my eyes, my nose, my ears, my tongue, my body. You don't. Therefore, you're lying when you claim that your feelings are mine, or that my feelings are yours.
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    It's clear you don't read the posts, as I never said 'everyone else' going to hell.

    I said hell is a fantasy dreamed up by ancient ignoramuses, and still believed in by delusional persons in our own day, many of whom need help to return to something resembling normalcy, as they have been severely traumatized and twisted by their abberated belief system.

    This is my response to the original premise that 'c/anity is over and done'.
    I am stating my agreement with this, and saying why I take this view.
     
  19. Ikdenkhetniet

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    Let me repeat this for you: HOW DO YOU FEEL?
    TELL ME.
    Im ASKING YOU.


    In psychology we call this 'Projecting' fyi.

    You are actually.

    I just explained TO YOU that your feelings are yours.
    Why are you confused here?

    Once again: Im the one telling you that 'your feelings are your feelings' and now Im once again asking you to share them.

    Seriously, do you have reading comprehension problems?

    No.
    You actually abusing Buddhism by avoiding the question using silly 'mystical sounding' phrases and deflections.

    Seriously though, how does it make you feel selecting Buddhism for yourself?
    You tell me.
     
  20. darrellkitchen

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    You'll never know.

    You're not me.

    Nor would me explaining my feelings make any difference to your feelings and your perceptions of things. They have no relevance on your perception of things. Nor are my particular feelings relevant or conducive to freedom from greed, or freedom from ill-will, or freedom from delusion.

    You can understand my feelings by investigating your own feelings. Investigating where they come from. What perpetuates your feelings. Where do they originate. But you will never personally know nor directly experience my feelings until you can perceive reality through my senses and through my mind no matter how much I describe them to you.

    Keep grasping ...
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