Christianity, really?

The use of abusive speech only proves you no idea what you are talking about. :hat:

 

Speak for yourself... they were having an intellectual discussion and all you can say is a bunch of expletives.

 

Haha, Ive always thought it was funny that many of the "gods" throughout history came from "virgin" mothers, and how everyone would believe the women who said "umm... IT WAS GOD!"

People are stupid

 

Intellectual? A bunch?

 

I think the virgin birth has to do with not receiving the original sin of Adam but I could be wrong, though...

Which deities were born from virgin mothers do you have in mind? Many that were thought to have a virgin birth were attributed after the conception of the idea of a Messiah, or were mistakenly thought to have virgin births when they actually didn't because their religious texts do not confirm that idea.

Hinduism, for example, while they believe in the existence of sin, do not believe in original sin or what we know as the fall, so it doesn't matter if they have a virgin birth or not. The incarnations of Brahman are avatars and are not fleshly bodies. I could be wrong.

 

They aren't so unique because that's how I understood the Bible as well and millions of others :biggrin:

It just happens to be buried by a huge rubble of confusion because its rarely ever discussed in depth and many Christians don't even bother to study their own beliefs... Many just follow along because that want to be a part of the group, but that doesn't make a Christian a Christian.

 

All Christians I have delt with say that Jesus was god, and there is a hell if you don't believe in him (however the hell view is being incresingly dissowned because it doesn't look apealing to our socity)

Am I wrong in my assumption that this is what MOST Christians believe? I can't cover every single view of the bible at once because if I was talking about your view it wouldn't apply to the view I have been talking about

 

So having sex is a sin?

When you look at a playground full of kindergärtners do you see sinners playing on the equipment, if so can you describe the nature of there trespass with god?


Horus, Dionysus, and other ancient gods. All similar to Jesus. Saying they were born around December 21, had twelve disciples, born a virgin birth, were killed, and resurrected.

I could link a gaudy list of formally worshiped and revered gods of the world that were born of virgins, however I posted about Horus and Dionysus because of the incredible simulate with the Jesus myth, in actuality all these gods have a reason for the December birth and the 12 followers, they are simply constellation anthropromorphinized into literal stories.

 

I find it pretty amusing that many do not recognize you as a true keeper of faith.

 

No, sex in of it's self is not sin but there is an arrangement for its proper use and so outside that arrangement it would be a sin.

Inherited sin and inherited sin is not easy to perceive in children.

Jesus was born about Oct 1st or 2nd and true Christians do not celebrate the pagan holiday of Christmas.

 

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Amen dude, even if it did have religious significence though, its not a pagan holiday as much as it is a corperate holiday.

 

Yep, you're right although it was originally a pagan holiday, it is now a corporate holiday. Being a pagan holiday probably just made it easier to convert it into a corporate one.

 

Sin as in missing the sign can not be perceived remotely at all as it is a personal miss-perception.

"About" Oct. 1st or 2nd? and "about" what year and in what proximate life?

 

I don't understand what you have said, sorry

 

So free love is a sin, are you implying that a judge and a cleric must stamp off on piece of paper before sex can be enjoyed without the risk of becoming a herectic?

Well maybe it does not exist then, I would say watching a group of grade schoolers playing at recess is most times an innocent observance, but to say that each of those kids are filled with the sin of a human sacrifce or simple definence from eating an apple, well that just sounds cynical to me.

This intrigues me can I possably get some passages that would back this up please?

 

Blind faith is but superstition. Faith examined, reveals faith. To the highest and lowest extent it is examined, to that extent is revealed the true measure of our faith.

 

Yes according to the Bible, free love is a sin. No, I'm not implying that a "judge and a cleric must stamp off on piece of paper before sex" is not a sin but the Bible says that you must be in the committed relationship of marriage for sex not to be a sin and no, a same sex "marriage" is not considered a marriage, no matter what people may call it.

If it doesn't exist then why do they go old and die? As children the fact that they will grow old and die is not easily discernible but that does not change the fact that they will and that is the result of inherited sin.

When thinking of Jesus’ birth, many people conjure up in their mind’s eye the emotionally appealing manger scene often displayed at Christmastime. There lies the baby Jesus, wrapped warmly and guarded by his mother, with snow softly blanketing the surrounding landscape. Does this popular view fit the Bible’s description of this historic event?

The Bible writer Luke relates a carefully documented account of Jesus’ birth: “There were also in that same country shepherds living out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks. And suddenly Jehovah’s angel stood by them, and Jehovah’s glory gleamed around them, and they became very fearful. But the angel said to them: ‘Have no fear, for, look! I am declaring to you good news of a great joy that all the people will have, because there was born to you today a Savior, who is Christ the Lord, in David’s city [Bethlehem]. And this is a sign for you: you will find an infant bound in cloth bands and lying in a manger.’ And suddenly there came to be with the angel a multitude of the heavenly army, praising God and saying: ‘Glory in the heights above to God, and upon earth peace among men of goodwill.’”—Luke 2:8-14.

If you were to read this account to the average Israeli today and ask him what time of year this could be, he would likely answer, “Sometime between April and October.” Why? The answer is simple. From November to March is the cold, rainy season in Israel, and December 25 is certainly in the wintertime. Shepherds would not be living out-of-doors, keeping watch over their flocks in the fields at night. Bethlehem, where Jesus was born, is located in the higher elevations and is just a few miles from Jerusalem. Even in years when the weather is less extreme, it is quite cold there at night during the winter.—Micah 5:2; Luke 2:15.

A look into history at the time of Jesus’ birth sheds light on the fact that he was not born during December’s snow. Jesus’ mother, Mary, although in an advanced stage of pregnancy, had to travel from her home in Nazareth to Bethlehem. She and Joseph did so to meet the requirements of the census decreed by the Roman ruler Caesar Augustus. (Luke 2:1-7) The Jewish populace, resenting the Roman rule and its heavy taxation, was already on the verge of rebellion. Why would Rome unnecessarily irritate them by requiring many to travel to be registered during the most difficult and even treacherous winter weather? Is it not far more reasonable that this would have been decreed for a season that lends itself to travel, such as spring or autumn?

Biblically Based Calculations

The historical and physical evidence disqualifies December, or any other winter month, as fitting the accounts of Jesus’ birth. Moreover, the Bible reveals through prophecy the time of year that Jesus was born. Where does it do this?

In the book of Daniel, chapter 9, we find one of the most impressive prophecies regarding the Messiah. It describes both his coming and his being cut off in death, which provided a ransom sacrifice to atone for sin and establish a basis for obedient mankind to gain “righteousness for times indefinite.” (Daniel 9:24-27; compare Matthew 20:28.) According to this prophecy, all of this would be accomplished within a period of 70 weeks of years, beginning in the year 455 B.C.E., when the command went forth to rebuild Jerusalem. (Nehemiah 2:1-11) From the time division in this prophecy, it can be discerned that the Messiah would appear at the beginning of the 70th week of years. This occurred when Jesus presented himself for baptism in 29 C.E., officially beginning his Messianic role. “At the half of the week,” or after three and a half years, the Messiah would be cut off in death, thereby bringing an end to the value of all sacrifices under the Mosaic Law covenant.—Hebrews 9:11-15; 10:1-10.

This prophecy reveals that the length of Jesus’ ministry was three and a half years. Jesus died on Passover, Nisan 14 (according to the Jewish calendar), in the spring of 33 C.E. The equivalent date for that year would be April 1. (Matthew 26:2) Counting back three and a half years places his baptism in 29 C.E. at the beginning of October. Luke informs us that Jesus was about 30 years old at his baptism. (Luke 3:21-23) This would mean that Jesus’ birth also was near the beginning of October. In harmony with Luke’s account, the shepherds would at that time of year still be “out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks.”—Luke 2:8.

 

Waterbrother, How do you affix the year 455 B.C.E.?

 

But would the saesons be in diffrent allingment that they are here in the states based on the curve of the Earth in relation to the sun?


http://www.southtravels.com/middleeast/palestine/weather.html

It would seem that even in december and january temps don't plummet as they do in certain parts of the states, ,any people choose to have there pregnancies in colder months, are you insinuating that Jesus and the winter soltice share no similatities?

 

How much for General Sou's rice?