Cia Report Details 'brutal' Post-9/11 Interrogations

Your own shadow scares you.

 

He has no grounds to do anything to the Bush admin. And Obama started the drone program which is killing civilians...maybe he should be prosecuted.

 

What the hell is wrong you vance? fuck you

Hey mods, you gonna call mine a PA and not his?

 

You claim that a Navy Seal would not scare you so I made a joke about it. A little touchy are we?

But I might ask what is wrong with you?

 

Suppose Mr Laden should have been propped up dead in a box for the public to see, as they did with outlaws in the 1800s.

 

The USA started to use Drones in the first gulf war. The first ones were not armed, only for spy work. In 2003 when Bush was president, they weaponized the Drones. That was how Zarqaui was killed. All that happened before Obama. He did continue the use of Drones.

 

I know what a Sensei is.

 

Obama expanded the program to take out terrorists that for ever 1 terrorist killed 13 innocent people are killed.

 

Yes that is true Vance. That is why I don't like the Drone program. It leaves too many innocent people dead. During the Bush years, many Iraqis who attended wedding parties were killed that way, even when they had nothing to do with terror. Remember, Iraq was invaded by the Bush administration in 2003 after the Bush folks extracted a false confession from a man who they had buried alive for 17 hours. His false information was used by Colin Powel at the UN to justify war against Iraq. America has wanted to steal Iraq's oil for the last 90 years.

 

Iraq was dealt with by a Resolution passed in the UN from 9 different independent countires with their own intel.
The man who gave them the info was not tortured and he agreed to defect from Iraq. And the war had nothing to do with oil.

 

No, you are wrong. I followed it closely. The war was pushed by the USA and by the UK. The intel was "sexed up" and false confessions were extracted by torture. The west knew exactly what Saddam had for weapons and knew that no WMDs existed in Iraq. Hans Blix and Scott Ritter established that. The war was about the stealing of Iraqi oil fields. The first act by the US Marines was to confiscate Iraqi oil fields form the Iraqi government. America's second act was to take over the oil ministery. And the third act was an order by America that required Iraq's government to accept American Genetic Patenting laws. America committed a crime against Iraq that resulted in four and a half million Iraqis dead and thirteen and a half million refugees. All of Iraq's infrastructure was bombed by the Americans, including their hospitals, their bridges, their electric plants, and their water treatment plants.

 

Scott Ritter is a fraud and someone who is not believable.

The interl from the Iraq scientist was not done under any kind of torture. Yes it proved to be less then true from what has been discovered, but it is also proven that Syria had chemical weapons, yet they don't have and never had a chemical program. It is under good speculation that Iraq had chemical weapons that ended up being shipped to Syria before the inspectors and war.

Germany, Israel, Russia, UK, Australia, France, Canada all had seperate intel which came to the same conclusion. Then went before the UN with that intel. Resolution was bassed to authorize the use of force.

I know Marines who were in Iraq and they were not there to seize but to protect the oil as they knew they were going to be a target. And the oil in Iraq was to help rebuild the country. Some things were bombed of course...it was WAR. But the targets were not civilian, but even the "smart" weapons have errors.

 

And some how you are more believable than the other guys? How do you figure? I'm with Dude111. I watched 9/11 via TV. Ok, not as good as in person, but detail you didn't see in person. Like the molten steel dripping. Vance, that fire was not hot enough to melt steel. Buildings worldwide, built to lesser standards than our own, have sustained hotter fires and not collapsed. The conditions simply did not exist to warrant a voluntary collapse. They had to have been brought down. A lot of factors, Vance.

 

Scott Ritter is not a fraud. He was a weapons inspector, a Marine, and a college graduate. He was sent to Iraq and the Bush administration did not like what he had to say. He has written several books about the matter. He was set up and arrested for speaking with a cop on the internet. The cop posed as an under-age girl. The Bush administration wanted to burn him bad. Nothing in his history indicates that he was a fraud.

 

Yeah, check out the article done by Popular Mechanics that debunks all the crazy theories.

 

He is a fraud, I saw him speak in person and he was not set up, he spoke to what he thought was an underaged girl by his own free will.
Saddam did not allow access to any inspectors to many sites, he kept them locked and under guard. So how can anyone including predator Ritter know what was there?

 

Not true. Ritter Blix and Kay had full and unfettered access to any place in Iraq. You can read Ritter's books and public statements. The head of the IAEA also said that Iraq had no WMDs. A few days before the war started Iraq gave up its short range missiles. Saddam offered to give exclusive contracts to American companies for rebuilding the telephone system, the hospitals, the electric plants, and all sorts of other public works. He also offered to buy a million American cars each year for ten years, just to avoid the war. But your Republican war mongers wanted war. What you always put on these forums is always the position of the government and the position of the Republican party. I do not agree with you on 95% of the information you supply. I also think you are a government minder on Hipforums, just wanting to convince people of the fake public image of government.

 

Flies all green and buzzin'
In this dungeon of despair
Prisoners grumble and piss their clothes
And scratch their matted hair

A tiny light from a window-hole
A hundred yards away
Is all they ever get to know
About the regular light in the day

And it stinks so bad the stones been chokin'
Weepin' greenish drops
In the room where the giant fire puffer works
And the torture never stops
The torture never stops

Slime and rot and rats and snot and
Vomit on the floor
Fifty hill billy soldiers man
Holdin' spears by the iron door

Knives and spikes and guns and the likes
Of every tool of pain
And a sinister midget with a bucket and a mop
Where the blood goes down the drain

And it stinks so bad, the stones been chokin'
Weepin' greenish drops
In the room where
The giant fire puffer works
And the torture never stops
The torture never stops,

The torture
The torture
The torture never stops

Flies all green and buzzin'
In this dungeon of despair
An evil prince eats a steamin' pig
In a chamber right near there

He eats the snouts and the trotters first
The loins and the groins are soon dispersed
His carvin' style is well rehearsed
He stands and shouts

"All men be cursed ! "

And disagree, hell no one durst
He's the best of cause of all the worst
Some wrong been done
He done it first

And he stinks so bad his bones been chokin'
Weepin' greenish drops
In the light of the iron sausage
Where the torture never stops
The torture never stops

The torture
The torture
The torture never stops

Flies all green and buzzin'
In the dungeon of despair
Who are all those people
That he's locked away down there

Are they crazy?
Are they sainted?
Are they zeros
someone painted?

That had never been explained
Since at first it was created
But a dungeon like a sin
Requires not much lockin' in
Of everything thats ever been

Look at her...

Look at him...


Thats whats the deal we're dealin in
Thats whats the deal we're dealin in
Thats whats the deal we're dealin in

~Zappa

 

Thank you for sharing that, Dude! It's been years since I listened to Zappa. I am going to do that tonight!

 

it's pretty much accepted that torture doesn't work because people will say anything to make it stop
it's an indictment of the bush admin's lowbrow governance