Climate Change

“Sure I am. Individual liberties always take a backseat to public welfare. Otherwise we have pure anarchy.”

So would you support a limit on how often you can drive your car per week, for example?

The Nazis also felt that individual liberties take a back seat. That’s why they created their Strength Through Joy program.

“Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism."Why We Are Anti-Semites," August 15, 1920 speech in Munich at the Hofbräuhaus. Speech also known as "Why Are We Anti-Semites?" Translated from Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 16. Jahrg., 4. H. (Oct., 1968), pp. 390-420.

“You mean those in the engine room are liars. The captain is just sailing the ship.“

There’s many ways to shape an analogy. My version is simply that the captain lied about anyone notifying him about any emergency.

“Really? How does that work?”

How do sociopaths and psychopaths feed off the gullibility of others and use it to their own advantage in their desire for power? Pretty self-explanatory isn’t it?

“Environmentalism makes it easier for them to ruthlessly gain positions of power and influence. How exactly?”

Look at all the people who believe in it. All you gotta do is tell everyone we’re all gonna die in 12 years and boom many many people gobble this crap up apparently, lol.

“Of course there are real conspiracies. That's why we have the word conspiracy.”

Which ones do you believe are true?

“Again, why do you assume that? You're the one claiming that environmentalism leads to consequences that are worse then the Nazi holocaust, yet you can't seem to articulate how you reached that conclusion logically, you just intuit it. I'm asking for evidence”

Well, environmentalism comes from the Nazis, actually.

Examining Nazi Environmentalism During Earth Week

How Green Were the Nazis?: Nature, Environment, and Nation in the Third Reich

Nazi "Ecology" This third article counters the idea that the Nazis were the first environmentalists, and instead says that title belongs to the Communists. All the same from my perspective. The Nazis and the Communists were both ruthless collectivist Totalitarian societies.

The Nazis were also anti-Capitalism, which many people don’t seem to grasp either.

“And if we ask who was responsible for our misfortune, then we must inquire who profited by our collapse. And the answer to that question is that 'Banks and Stock Exchanges are more flourishing than ever before.' We were told that capitalism would be destroyed, and when we ventured to remind one or the other of these famous statesmen and said 'Don't forget that Jews too have capital,' then the answer was: 'What are you worrying about? Capitalism as a whole will now be destroyed, the whole people will now be free. We are not fighting Jewish or Christian capitalism, we are fighting very capitalism: we are making the people completely free.' ... It is only the international Stock Exchange and loan- capital, the so-called 'supra-state capital,' which has profited from the collapse of our economic life, the capital which receives its character from the single supra-state nation which is itself national to the core, which fancies itself to be above all other nations, which places itself above other nations and which already rules over them. The international Stock Exchange capital would be unthinkable, it would never have come, without its founders the supra-national, because intensely national, Jews.”Munich - Speech of April 12, 1922

-Adolf Hitler

 

Our current ex president is quite the example of your last sentence. Individual liberties won't amount to much if some are standing in water up to their knees with their hair on fire while denying there might be a problem. Might not happen, but---what if you are wrong?

 

The Club of Rome might not be Eugenicist Psychopaths, but what if you are wrong?

 

No worries, we have Joe Coal-n-Smoke Manchin to work on keeping our air clean...protecting those 37 coal mine jobs...

 

They seem rather benign in the scheme of things to me. Discussing the problems of over population, condition of economic disparities world wide and other issues seems to be the main thrust of their concern. There ARE too many people and that is going to get worse as time goes by unless something is done ,such as free birth control world wide. And conversations about that issue. AS far as the economics of many countries manifest--there are far too many people that have almost nothing and will never have much at all. People are starving right here in this country , but that is much worse in other areas of the world. Ho-hum----tough shit for them. They( the club) would surely disagree with my opinion that capitalism will eventually kill all sentient life on this little blue ball hurtling through space-----never mind that ---keep the money and oil flowing--keep the prices rising on habitation , food and everything else. That's the important issue isn't it? Money and power by the few , for the few and of the few. Oh well--so it goes. Just ignore anything that MIGHT be a problem . Probably go away.

 

"Environmentalism comes from the nazis , actually." Fuckin' hell!! This is where I get off.

 

“Sure. We had gasoline, fuel oil, sugar, shoes, butter, processed foods, tires, typewriters, milk, coffee, tinned dog food, silk, nylon, stoves, meat, lard, shortening, food oils, cheese, butter, margarine, dried fruits, canned milk, firewood, coal, jams, jellies, fruit butter, penicillin, and bicycles were all rationed during WWII. New cars were prohibited from being manufactured. Metal office furniture, radios, television sets, phonographs, refrigerators, vacuum cleaners, washing machines, and sewing machines were unavailable to civilians. The national speed limit was reduced to 35 mph, automobile races and sight seeing tours were also banned.
All to fight a common enemy.“

And how long would this go on for in the name of climate change? When would “victory” ever be declared, and how would it be decided exactly? And by whom?

“The Nazis were totalitarians, not socialists.”

Please name any Socialist experiments that aren’t Totalitarian.

Totalitarianism:

a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.

Isn’t that what you’re promoting in the name of environmentalism?

“That's not what I asked. How does it work in this specific instance?“

You’ve already begun to answer the question. Let’s limit individual’s freedom of movement in their vehicles. Should we control how much and what types of food people eat too? Ban meat?

“Really? that easy huh?“

Apparently…

“Actually it doesn't. Forms of environmentalism were practiced 2,000 years ago in Peru, China, and India.

Modern environmentalism was championed by the U.S. in the late 1800s and early 1900s by Gifford Pinchot, John Muir, and Aldo Leopold.
Sweden and New Zealand were also at the forefront at the same time.”

What I mean is they were the first State-sponsored environmentalists. They were the first to pass laws about conserving the environment.

 

Ok I understand your question now. The answer is it’s easier for Sociopaths and Psychopaths to gain power because they have no sense of immorality in their actions and deeds. They combine charisma with lies in their quest for power.

The second part of the answer is that Environmentalism may be a convenient and effective on-ramp to culling the gullible masses for these Sociopaths and Psychopaths. It’s easy to control people if you’ve given them a convincing reason to listen to you.

It all boils down to trust. You seem to trust these people (Club of Rome, United Nations, etc.). I tend to be much less trusting of their intentions.

 

I have no doubt that there are psychopaths and sociopaths in high places trying to control our lives. One of them is running for President, while others (e.g., Q-anon) are playing on our primal fears--Democrats being Satanic pedophiles torturing and killing children to harvest the adrenochrome in their blood for its rejuvenating properties. (The etiology of this one is interesting. The notion that Jews were using the blood of Christian children for their Passover bread goes back to the Middle Ages, while the idea of drinking blood of young maidens for its rejuvenating properties goes back to the tales about the blood drinking Hungarian countess, Elizabeth Báthory. Icke's Anunnaki were Sumerian deities who became interterrestrial alien visitors from the planet Niburu in the crackpot theories of Zecharia Sitchin. Nothing original there, but Icke made them reptilian and claims they walk among us and are out to get us.) These are the stuff of real conspiracies (Icke, Q-Anon, and the rest) aimed at fleecing us and/or controlling our lives. Powerful people conspiring! Why can't you recognize that? Why don't they make you afraid? It's a judgment call. I think there's more evidence in their existence than in the lizard people and Satanic blood drinkers others may worry about.

 

There have been both good & bad aliens among us since time began

 

It is certainly possible for scientists to be misled, and even to mislead themselves. Thomas Kuhn showed us how scientists tend to cling to their paradigms until anomalies become so great that the original paradigm becomes untenable. Kuhn (1996), The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, p. 5) That's life.

But it would be a mistake to characterize it as a conspiracy. The 1972 MIT study, The Limits to Growth by Meadows & Meadows, sponsored by the Club of Rome introduced to our vocabulary the concept of "exponential growth". It was an early attempt to use computer simulation models to predict the impacts of trends in five variables: population, food production, industrialization, pollution and consumption of nonrenewable natural resources. Critics claimed it relied on linear projections that might not be constant; paid insufficient attention to the possibility that technology and resource substitution will alleviate the problems; and took insufficient account of phenomena like the "demographic transition", which might ease population pressures as folks in developing countries reach the point where they realize having kids has more costs than benefits. But more recent research indicates that it was generally spot on in the trends it predicted.
Cassandra's curse: how "The Limits to Growth" was demonized
https://mudcitypress.com/PDF/clubofrome.pdf
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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jiec.13084
Is Global Collapse Imminent?

 

I was just reading The Structure of Scientific Revolutions. Really good book.

 

What it boils down to. Are several parts. Firstly we have these destructive toys. In our pasts. Maybe we had a few of the same toys. But since we mostly cant seem to keep it in our collective pants. These toys got the best of us. We acquired the toys thru a simple form of momentum. This cycle has repeated itself more than once. As it seems. We tend to care more abt the toys than well you name it. In reality. Others learned to. Exist by momentuming past certain developmental stages. Some of these others. As or more destructive than us. Still others simply make it
partially their business to assist us. This is necessary bcuz others hamper us.

 

There are various factions involved. Much more so than ive so far mentioned. Good & bad aliens good & bad humans. & i guess earthbound elementals. & human ghosts. & the aniimal plant & mineral kingdoms. & perhaps more. Out of all this. Good humans in some ways rank low. We partially dumbed ourselves down. & we were dumbed externally. Oops i forgot. We have higher selves. & telekinetic capabilities.

 

Facts

 

Thanks for the likes china cat.

 

"please name any socialist experiments that aren't totalitarian." All of the Scandinavian countries that hold the most satisfied citizens in the world.