Clinton Vs. Trump

I havent paid much attention to most of the claims you mention to be honest.

I should clarify, i dont think Hillary is more or less corrupt than any other powerful politician who has made an obscene amount of wealth within the political realm.

I think she is a typical, wealthy, powerful politician.

I believe she is corrupt mostly because of the money trail. I am disturbed by the source of donations flowing into her political campaign as well as the Clinton Foundation.

And i'll admit i also just instinctually distrust her. I dont like her. Not really any more or less than the other assholes running the country.

 

While I am in favor of a peaceful protest of trump, these idiots that are causing havoc are doing a disservice to the anti trump cause.

 

They are proving why voting is largely a private affair. In the US people are not supposed to get fired for the way they vote or think as long as it doesn't get in the way of their work or embarrass the company publically. But the embarrassment has become hostile accostings and blatant blackmail or extortion. We've actually seen cities take odd sides on issues after being threatened with riots.

Using your free speech to deny someone else theirs, is not how America works. But it is how Mexico works, so what I have seen of the California mess has been exactly what I expect from Mexicans and Mexican-Americans who are clearly not embracing the constitution or what it means tyo be an American. Why immigrate to a nation if you don't want to be part of it?

Beating people up at political events you were not invited to is wrong. Protesting is not assault. It's not screaming in people's faces. And it's certainly not threatening them or their families. It's also not exactly civilized to want blood over something somebody said that they didn't like. Welcome to American politics.

 

Trump is now leading Clinton in some polls. The Democratic convention will be contested unless Hillary can win all remaining states by 72% which is highly unlikely. Hopefully Hillary will drop out when she is indicted so we won't have a Trump presidency, but whatever, Trump before Hillary. I'll vote for Trump just to spite Hillary and her dirty campaign.

 

Where did you get that idea? Maybe you meant to say Bernie. What you said is nowhere close to right.

 

https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention/

I've been reading anywhere from 64% to 72% actually, but all the odds seem to be against it.

Also, hints that Ted Cruz may be running third party:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/04/here-comes-ted-cruzs-third-party-candidacy

Bernie and Jill Stein have allegedly been discussing a third party run as well. Bernie does overwhelmingly better against the Republican candidates in polls than Hillary.

Still can't believe I'm on a place called hip forums arguing for the validity of a person who was a civil rights activist in the 60s vs. a Goldwater girl in the 60s. Strange days.

 

I can't find a single serious political analyst who agrees with you. Is this one of those Fox News fantasies?

 

I don't watch Fox news. The numbers don't lie. The convention will be contested.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/05/bernie_sanders_wants_a_contested_convention_for_democrats.html

Maybe Slate is more up your alley. If you've been watching CNN or MSNBC or reading the Washington Post, the only narrative you're going to hear is about how Bernie should drop out. But he's not dropping out, he's going all the way to Philadelphia to be met by thousands of his supporters.

 

That article talks about a scenario in which Clinton receives no superdelegate votes, even though she's expected to receive almost all of them, based on their own public statements.

Love him or hate him, Bernie is done.

 

I watched Trump's speech in Terre Haute. Mostly he was repeating himself, so it was pretty boring. Lots of him telling everyone how great he is. But at a couple of points he went after Hillary in a more aggressive way than I had seen before. He seems pretty sure that she's done, he knows Cruz is gone after Indiana unless he goes full Kasich.

One of the more stealthy aspects of Trump's campaign has been his self-financing. It means we have no idea what moneyed interests actually CAN sway him (unlike all the rest of the candidates). This means when he takes the white house, none of us have a clue what kind of people he will assemble into a cabinet. It was interesting to see so few protesters in Terre Haute. Is Indiana somehow unimportant to them? I mean really, you can bus a mob anywhere.

 

One of my worst fears now is that Trump might stop talking crazy shit, and the American public will forget in six weeks that he ever did it. That's probably the only way he can get elected.

It's official, we're down to the two most hated Presidential candidates in American history. Whoever wins, it will be the first time that we've sworn in a new President with an approval rating below 50%. It's going to be a long four years.

 

Personally I feel voting is a clever concoction designed to make the herd believe it still has a say in governance and is therefore meaningless

 

'Murca.

 

There is an alternative.

https://garyjohnson2016.com/

Only a lunatic would expect him to actually win of course. I'll be using my vote to express my extreme disapproval of the two major political parties.

There are other minor parties, The Green Party and Constitution Party for example. They may be worth looking into. My only real hope this election cycle is for the third parties to see a record turnout. Maybe if they have a strong showing more people will start to view them as a legitimate choice over the Dems and Reps.

 

I lost interest in the Green Party when they propped up Cynthia McKinney. Of all people.

 

I voted for the Libertarian candidate in 2004. Originally I wasn't gonna vote in that election, but my anthropology professor threatened to fail anyone who didn't participate, and I was worried he was gonna find out. I considered the LP to be my go-to party for a short while. But I was fed up with them when they nominated Bob Barr in 2008, who was just a generic rubber stamp republican his whole career in congress. That was the year Ron Paul put libertarianism on the map, and the libertarian party fucked it up for themselves that year. I looked into the constitution party, but they are way too evangelical churchy for me. So I voted McKinney out of frustration. I was anti political and avoided 2012, and voted only for local statewide measure to legalize pot in Oregon. Maybe I'll give the LP a second chance and Feel The Johnson!

 

I couldn't believe that either. No way I consider him a Libertarian.

 

Wow, you're the only person I've met who voted for Cynthia!!! She's famous in Atlanta as was her father. What I have always liked about her is that she says anything that pops into her head. What sucks about that is that she's a hopeless racist. Bob Barr is another matter. Yea, he's a republican, but he's also a lying sack of shit. Many times he stood in the way of progress on the marijuana issue only to go full turncoat and supposedly become a pro-pot libertarian. His pandering is on par with George Wallace in the 70s.

And that's really the shit of it for Americans. You can vote loyally for a while, but eventually your favorite candidate or party will let you down. They will expose their own petty little greed game. Like Trump becoming a republican as if by magic. Trump knows that under democrats he'll be taxed heavily, as it should be, and even regulated out of business in some places because he's paid bribes and "deals" for so long nothing he does seems legal.

I'm afraid either way we're headed to war. Under Clinton it will be a backroom war like Yugoslavia. Under Trump it will be a bloody overseas mess with lots of dead Americans to show for the effort. Once again we Americans have to choose which poison.

 

It's time for all voters to understand and accept the reality that politics is a dirty, pragmatic business. Not idealistic at all.